Busse vs Spartan Blades vs Esee

[Metal Made Fox]

If you read Busse's website it does not say they will replace any knife for any reason. Leave ESEE out, it doesn't matter, we're talking about Busse. Their warranty states unintentional coverage, so what they've done for fan boys on BF's is irrelevant to the customer who doesn't spend time here and only gets his information DIRECTLY from the company website. I'm glad they've made exceptions for folks, they sound like a cool bunch, but they're just that, exceptions, otherwise their website warranty information would read differently.

Just because it's written like that doesn't mean it's the way they are going to operate. Most knife companies state in their warranty that you have to be the original owner of the knife and have your receipt as proof if you need to send it in for warranty work.

Well guess what? I have sent in knives from these companies for warranty repairs many times and not one of those times was I the original owner nor did I have the receipt. And you know what? They still took care of me without asking any questions.

Again, your point is invalid.

 

[Ankerson]

Just because it's written like that doesn't mean it's the way they are going to operate. Most knife companies state in their warranty that you have to be the original owner of the knife and have your receipt as proof if you need to send it in for warranty work.

Well guess what? I have sent in knives from these companies for warranty repairs many times and not one of those times was I the original owner nor did I have the receipt. And you know what? They still took care of me without asking any questions.

Again, your point is invalid.

Yeah, how true...

If there is a warranty claim then speaking with the Company is the best way to go 1st, sending the knife into them etc.

 

[straitr]

Can you read?

Or is is selective comprehension.....?

Posted the warranty again, and even high lighted the section you keep missing.... The Warranty is only a few sentences really so it should be too hard to understand or get through it...


OUR GUARANTEE

Busse Knife Group is proud to have the toughest warranty in the industry.

All Busse Knife Group blades are guaranteed for life against any and all unintentional MAJOR damage. Your knife will either be repaired or replaced at our discretion.

Please note that aftermarket modifications done to your knife outside of our shop that cause your knife to fail may void your warranty.

Busse Knife Group encourages extreme usage of our blades as they are without question "The Toughest Knives in the World". We have no rivals. You can use a Busse Knife Group blade as hard as you like and our warranty has you covered.

You're either messing with me, or you're a total flipping retard. You've highlighted what I've already pointed out to you THREE times! IT SAYS UNINTENTIONAL! THAT means UNINTENTIONAL, or without intent, sometimes called an accident, which is the opposite of intentional, which IS what I'm saying it does not cover per the website.

UNINTENTIONAL

 

[Ankerson]

You're either messing with me, or you're a total flipping retard. You've highlighted what I've already pointed out to you THREE times! IT SAYS UNINTENTIONAL! THAT means UNINTENTIONAL, or without intent, sometimes called an accident, which is the opposite of intentional, which IS what I'm saying it does not cover per the website.

UNINTENTIONAL

There are words past unintentional or did you get a brain lock...

Your knife will either be repaired or replaced at our discretion.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to break a BUSSE?

Believe me if you break one it was doing something really off the wall..... It's not easy, I know personally, never really had one snap on me, but I damaged some over the years in testing....

But I promised not to do that kind of extreme testing anymore....... And I haven't..... Fixed blades or folders....

 

[straitr]

Just because it's written like that doesn't mean it's the way they are going to operate. Most knife companies state in their warranty that you have to be the original owner of the knife and have your receipt as proof if you need to send it in for warranty work.

Well guess what? I have sent in knives from these companies for warranty repairs many times and not one of those times was I the original owner nor did I have the receipt. And you know what? They still took care of me without asking any questions.

Again, your point is invalid.

And once again, you think the world revolves around you, and the rest of us are stupid for thinking differently.

 

[jdk1]

Assuming people who do not worship at the throne of Busse are either stupid or unable to afford one is folly. There are many different ideas about what makes a knife special or desirable. Many knives see no harder use than cutting open a box or whittling a stick. I most often find myself using some small, cheapish folder day in and day out. I do make special excuses to use knives I like, but don't need, as most of us do. If you want a $400 1/4" knife than have at it. There is no need to constantly ridicule others or their knives, and make blanket statements about them being sour because they can't be in the cool kid's club. Most knife folks here have no problem whatsoever with Busse knives, whether it's their style or not. It seems to me it's usually SOME of the owners who put a stain on the brand...

 

[trentu]

Congratulations, you have just earned the "most idiotic statement on Bladeforums" award. Never in your life say something like that again. Schrade and Busse do not even belong in the same sentence (with the exception of this one, of course).

If you can't afford a Busse that's okay. However it is not okay when you go around making stupid assumptions like that. Your Shcrade would snap in half before a Busse gets a micro chip on its edge. You are comparing a piece of crap to a Busse, get real.



WHAT?

I don't even know if you're being serious or just trying to troll.

I own two Busse's smart guy. I'm saying that many nice knives can handle that test. You get yourself into a lot of Chevy vs Ford arguments don't you? There is a metallurgical advantage with the Busse but I can damn sure guarantee that a SCHF1 can put a pretty good chip in it's blade. Plus the tip would not snap off hammering into asphalt Einstein!

 

[Ken44]

If I modified an ESEE the same way and it broke I would get a brand new knife

Don't know if they would are not, but 1095 is dirt cheap(to replace) and not many modify those enough to affect the heat treat anyway. I've seen many try to grind away the INFI dimples after stripping which with some knives takes removing a lot of metal. A local friend of mine got very carried away and did that, but its still holding up well. I would have never sold him the knife if I had known he was going to grind half of it away,lol.
Busse will still warranty a modded knife if the heat treat hasn't been affected. They may not if the affected heat treat caused the damge.


Even if the same amount of knives that had the heat treat ruined by customers was sent in it would be a bigger problem to replace a very expensive steel compared to one of the cheapest steels.
If I sold a friend one of my $30 Case knives and he ruined it from a bad mod job I may just give him another. A Sebenza, no way.


edit to add- Busse does warranty any knife no matter what. A member posted a broken one here last year that had been heavily modded(to grind the INFI dimples out after stripping). He sent it in and the heat treat had been compromised. Jerry still offered him a refund or another knife.

 

[Ken44]

Also, if some of you can't stop the name calling the thread could wind up getting locked.
We're in General, not W&C

 

[leatherman]

The insults need to stop, this can be discussed without name calling.

Take a deep breath and a walk around the block.

 

[SavageSmurf]

I'd say go with the TGLB. I have another 7inch BUSSE, so I've never pulled the trigger on the TGLB, but many people on here can (and do) attest to the caliber of knife that it is. If that's too pricy, check out SURVIVE! or wait for the ratweiler CG to come through the swamp (should be around 1/2 the price of the TGLB).

 

[crom]

The driveway is a better sheath than the ones Busses ship with

 

[PatrickKnight]

Honestly of the three brands listed just buy which model fits your price range and be happy. All three brands are likely to out last any of us. We are all honestly very lucky to have so many choices.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Also, if some of you can't stop the name calling the thread could wind up getting locked.
We're in General, not W&C

The insults need to stop, this can be discussed without name calling.

Take a deep breath and a walk around the block.

Hoping you all read Ken44's and leatherman's posts, I will not close this thread ... for now.

I will check back, and the insults better stop.

 

[D R E]

Hello evyrone. I really dont want to start a war but in the near future I want to buy a super hard use military looking knife. I know I sound like a mall ninja, I dont even think I ll use it that hard, I just want to buy it for my own pleausure of owning it and possibly want the best I can afford. Not a long time ago I read here that S30V and S35VN used in CRK Green Berete and Pacific aret good for hard use because of chipping and could break if not used correctly. I see Spartan Blades also use S30V but everyone says they re very good. I heard all posivetes on Busse and their Infi steel and I m interested in TGLB. I also heard about Esee and their bulletproof warranty and that Busse has it too. I know there are also Swamp Rat and Scrap Yard under Busse and that there is also Randal but I m not interested in those. I want to hear your opinions on these companies and which do you think is better and why. I ll probably go with TGLB when I ll have the money but I still want to do my homework and I think it will be an interesting discussion.
I apologise for my English and I wish happy Easter to everyone that celebrates it.
Thank you.
Edit: You may add Ka-Bar and BKT to discussion as well or any other hard use fixed knives. But yes I m more interested in those three.

After reading through all the responses I will add my two cents. I have Randalls, a Chris Reeve Green Beret and Pacific as well as a Spartan Harsey II and also had a Ratmandu. They are all quality products but with different design parameters in mind. If you want a "chopper" then I would suggest the Busse. If you want a slicer, than pick up a Spartan Blade. All the makers you list stand behind their products so no worries if something happens.

With regards to the steels used, each manufacturer uses a specific steel to match the performance they are looking for. Busse could use S35VN for their choppers but their INFI is better for that kind of stress. Chris Reeve and Spartan could use a 52100 steel but the guys they make their knives for like the qualities of S35VN. In the end, buy the knife that best fits your criteria because they are all excellent blades.

 

[knifeguy101]

And once again, you think the world revolves around you, and the rest of us are stupid for thinking differently.

You're fighting a losing battle my friend I could tell by their first posts that they will defend Busse to the grave.
I like Busse, but the ESEE warranty is better, since it covers all damage, intentional or not.

Don't know if they would are not

They will.
Just last year someone on the esee forum bent the tip of his izula prying up a floorboard. He grinded the tip into a sort of clip point and Jeff offered to replace it. The guy declined since he didnt want to abuse the warranty though.

 

[Firestrike]

 

[amflud]

You're fighting a losing battle my friend I could tell by their first posts that they will defend Busse to the grave.
I like Busse, but the ESEE warranty is better, since it covers all damage, intentional or not.


They will.
Just last year someone on the esee forum bent the tip of his izula prying up a floorboard. He grinded the tip into a sort of clip point and Jeff offered to replace it. The guy declined since he didnt want to abuse the warranty though.

I can remember a few years back when a member here (forgive me, I cannot remember his username) intentionally chopped into a piece of heavy chain hanging from a wooden fence post several times with a Steel Heart of some sort (I think) and managed to tear out a portion of the edge of the blade. He posted it in the Busse sub-forum here and was completely up-front about how the damage had occurred. Jerry personally replied to the thread and honored the warranty.

 

[Lee D]

imo, some people get waaaaay too caught up in the warranty thing. I feel safe saying most on here don't chop cinder blocks up, shoot their knives, carve other knives up, or pound them into their driveways....a knife is for cutting stuff. everyone has their favorite "flavor" and given time the op will find his as well.

 

[unwisefool]

I can remember a few years back when a member here (forgive me, I cannot remember his username) intentionally chopped into a piece of heavy chain hanging from a wooden fence post several times with a Steel Heart of some sort (I think) and managed to tear out a portion of the edge of the blade. He posted it in the Busse sub-forum here and was completely up-front about how the damage had occurred. Jerry personally replied to the thread and honored the warranty.

I remember that. I think he actually did manage to chop through the chain. I know I used my Busse game warden as an ice pick one year when my car was stuck in some bad ice. Before I knew it I had actually gouged out part of the road beneath the ice. The knife was fine and that's when I decided to buy a bigger Busse.