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C Ben Susrool is ok! Problems solved!
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I've both bought and sold to Ben and haven't had any problems at all. Got some good deals. Made some good sales.
In this situation, I personally would refund everything. I only have one side of the story though.
I also wouldn't have sold to the OP in the first place though. International shipping is riskier and the OP has a low post count. It also requires a special trip to the post office during work/lunch hours since the postal counters at grocery stores (open later) don't take international shipments. I suppose if someone were to pay me $100, I'd be more interested. I'd also eat broccoli for $100.
From the emails, it was pretty clear that you were paying an extra $100 for him to do something that he didn't want to do. If English isn't your first language, then it may have been misunderstood but it was written fairly clearly. I do think there was an expectation that the knife would be shipped. And like I said previously, I would refund all the money.
"It is not the buyers fault that the post office would not ship."
It's not really the seller's fault either if the knife is in fact illegal in Belgium. Sounds strange to me but I don't know the laws in Belgium. The buyer should be responsible for abiding by the laws in his country.
In this situation, I personally would refund everything. I only have one side of the story though.
I also wouldn't have sold to the OP in the first place though. International shipping is riskier and the OP has a low post count. It also requires a special trip to the post office during work/lunch hours since the postal counters at grocery stores (open later) don't take international shipments. I suppose if someone were to pay me $100, I'd be more interested. I'd also eat broccoli for $100.
From the emails, it was pretty clear that you were paying an extra $100 for him to do something that he didn't want to do. If English isn't your first language, then it may have been misunderstood but it was written fairly clearly. I do think there was an expectation that the knife would be shipped. And like I said previously, I would refund all the money.
"It is not the buyers fault that the post office would not ship."
It's not really the seller's fault either if the knife is in fact illegal in Belgium. Sounds strange to me but I don't know the laws in Belgium. The buyer should be responsible for abiding by the laws in his country.
Gafishing, if those were his terms i would not agree either...i mean: 100$ for wrapping the knife and sheats and going to the post Office? SERIOUSLY??? And what about a phone? He doesn't probably have one i think then....
I genuinly thought he wanted a non-refundable 100$ because i would keep my word.and THAT is something i do agree with: i also hate it when people ask me to reservate material for them and than don't pay me...
But in this case it is just loonacy: i still can't believe it...100$???
Is that golden wrapping paper or something?
I can not believe he keeps that money...and he also does not answer anymore...i did mensioned to him that i would post my experience with him here...
I think we al have the same hobby's: knives (and more).
And i can not believe that there is someone here with this attitude.
I also have to work for my money, and i have a special amount that i save to buy knives...maybe to him it is not much money but in my eyes and in my situation it is....
If i would have payed 100$ and than said that i can't or will not buy the knife than he would have the right to keep the 100USD...
WHEN i interpretated his email wrong, i would gladly appologise to the man...no problem!
But in this case: sorry, but he has NO right to keep MY money!
After all: i kept my part of the deal, i payed him the 100USD like he asked and i also payed him another 300$ the day after!
I genuinly thought he wanted a non-refundable 100$ because i would keep my word.and THAT is something i do agree with: i also hate it when people ask me to reservate material for them and than don't pay me...
But in this case it is just loonacy: i still can't believe it...100$???
Is that golden wrapping paper or something?
I can not believe he keeps that money...and he also does not answer anymore...i did mensioned to him that i would post my experience with him here...
I think we al have the same hobby's: knives (and more).
And i can not believe that there is someone here with this attitude.
I also have to work for my money, and i have a special amount that i save to buy knives...maybe to him it is not much money but in my eyes and in my situation it is....
If i would have payed 100$ and than said that i can't or will not buy the knife than he would have the right to keep the 100USD...
WHEN i interpretated his email wrong, i would gladly appologise to the man...no problem!
But in this case: sorry, but he has NO right to keep MY money!
After all: i kept my part of the deal, i payed him the 100USD like he asked and i also payed him another 300$ the day after!
@gafishing: that is just the most frustrating part of all: i already ordered knives from all over the USA, without any problems...they all got shipped right to my door.
Also with the comunication: never had any problems with people from the USA...
That i have a low post count is true, but that doesn't mean i am not a fair guy....
If he would have explained to me in the beginning that the total amount would be 400$ i would not have buyed it at all.
Which sane person is going to agree with 100$ Just for wrapping the knife and going (or calling) to the post Office....
Also with the comunication: never had any problems with people from the USA...
That i have a low post count is true, but that doesn't mean i am not a fair guy....
If he would have explained to me in the beginning that the total amount would be 400$ i would not have buyed it at all.
Which sane person is going to agree with 100$ Just for wrapping the knife and going (or calling) to the post Office....
Hello? Anybody Home????? AS MENTIONED AGAIN AND AGAIN, NO FRIENDS AND FAMILY FOR ANYTHING UNLESS YOU WANT TO COME HERE AND TELL US HOW YOU WERE RIPPED OFF.
NON-Refundable should habe been another flag not to do business with.....
Sorry for the Strong Words, But necessary.............. TD
NON-Refundable should habe been another flag not to do business with.....
Sorry for the Strong Words, But necessary.............. TD
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Tinydog, in all the years i do business in the USA i always payed F&F....never had a problem....
When i buy from a forum, whether it is bladeforums, hammockforum, hikingforum,....you name it, i never had issues...
imho buying from a member of a forum is trustworthy...because we all share the same passion...and issues like this shouldn't exist here...but that is just my opinion.
But no worries, i have learned my lesson...but i really think this kind of actions is despicable...
Anywhere, anyhow, anyway!
When i buy from a forum, whether it is bladeforums, hammockforum, hikingforum,....you name it, i never had issues...
imho buying from a member of a forum is trustworthy...because we all share the same passion...and issues like this shouldn't exist here...but that is just my opinion.
But no worries, i have learned my lesson...but i really think this kind of actions is despicable...
Anywhere, anyhow, anyway!
I do understand your point. I truly believe that any member here that is truly wanting to sell a knife will in fact accept "Goods & Services" if you ask. I have done this in the past with reputable members. Yes someone will eat the marginal cost, but the buyer wins. It comes down to simple insurance. Unless you are purchasing a knife on the high end of $'s the marginal cost is nothing. And if you were purchasing a high end big money knife I hope one always chooses the G&S method.
No disrespect, but we have think of ourselves when making purchases. Although most transactions here one would never have an issue, it's just the right thing to do for yourself.... There is often one bad apple in the basket.
All the best to you, and I am sorry of this happening. However, you may have learned something here at a cost but perhaps valuable moving forward. That's what it is all about.
All the Best, and perhaps you may be able to recover your funds.
TD
Thank you Tinydog!
That is just the problem: i have seen his feedback, which is indeed very good...that's why i trusted him and payed as F&F...
It never even occured to me that something like this could happen...
Believe me: paying for G&S costs 3,4% of the amount you pay.that's 3,4$.... if i knew this would have happened i would have payed that with a big smile on my face!
I am just knocked off my chair that things like this can happen here...
But like i said...lessons learned.
I am going to sleep now, i hope Mr C Ben Susrool will have answered to this thread when i wake up tomorrow.
I am open for a dialogue with him....
Good day, good morning or good night
That is just the problem: i have seen his feedback, which is indeed very good...that's why i trusted him and payed as F&F...
It never even occured to me that something like this could happen...
Believe me: paying for G&S costs 3,4% of the amount you pay.that's 3,4$.... if i knew this would have happened i would have payed that with a big smile on my face!
I am just knocked off my chair that things like this can happen here...
But like i said...lessons learned.
I am going to sleep now, i hope Mr C Ben Susrool will have answered to this thread when i wake up tomorrow.
I am open for a dialogue with him....
Good day, good morning or good night
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Even though Ben said the $100 is non refundable it still seems pretty messed up to keep it. Took maybe a half hour to go to the post office? Maybe keep $20 for the trouble but to keep the whole $100 seemswrong.
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Looks like this picture shows C Ben Susrool side of the story. While I personally don't like the terms of the deal struck between these two, it's clear and upfront what the deal was. $100 for the trouble non-refundable as he hates to go through the trouble to ship out of the US. Bad deal I would never accept, but by paying the $100, buyer clearly accepted it. Even states no refunds for any reason at the end, yet refunded the price of the merchandise anyway. Buyer should have said NO to the deal in the first place.
It would be great if the seller refunded some/all of the $100 for the trouble money, regardless of the deal, but not sure if a buyer accepts a bad deal it's really all the sellers fault.
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Sometimes the USPS counter jocky gets the whole "no weapons" thing wrong (as I suspect they were in this case), once the seller took the "$100 trouble money", he should have properly pursued the shipping to resolution, it seemed to be a very easy point to go "no, but thanks for the $100" (lets face it, even US shipping requires the knife to be packaged so no additional fee could be justified there).
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Although Rycen asked for no posts (sorry).... in the interest of a happy resolution, you can print international labels/ customs forms online. Save yourself the $100 worth of effort. (yes you'd have to mark tool or collectible on the customs sheet)
I've had a USPS employee refuse to ship a knife two states over!
I've had a USPS employee refuse to ship a knife two states over!
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Still waiting on the seller, but it is important to note that he was on BF just a few minutes ago.
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And once again the seller is on this thread at this time. Please tell us your side.
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I have been in touch with C Ben Susrool. He sent me his side of the story. Please note he does not want to discuss it any further with Engels82, for reasons he states in the following message.
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I choose not to respond to this thread just as I chose not to respond to his last few emails where he threatened and called me a thief, crook and liar.
However, I will make these points, if you want to post them please preface them with the note that I choose not to give him the satisfaction of posting .
1. the fellow trashed up my for sale post trying to get me to agree to sell out of CONUS. (should have been my first clue he cannot read)
2. I did not "make" him do anything. I told him of my terms, never expecting him to agree to them.
3. He emailed me back saying he understood and asking for my PayPal address.
4. He sent the $100, I went to the PO with the wrapped package and had them weigh it and quote me shipping and insurance. I really didn't think they would insure it. They said they would at over $50 for priority mail, and IIRR somewhere near $36 for ship and insurance. He wrote back to go the cheaper route.*
5. I reported this to him, and he asked if I was going to give him credit for the first $100. I told him NO, that was not our agreement, to go back and reread our emails. He whined and bitched and I told him i could relabel the package and sell to someone else.
6. He sent another email, maybe the next day, and said I was right. He paid through PayPal.
7. (this all took place over a few days during the Veterans say holiday.)*
8. After I saw from PPal he had paid, I went back to PO with the package. There they told me I had to cover the package with brown wrapping paper. I did, then went back to the post office, they took the package and read the customs declaration and told me they could not ship a camping knife to Belgium as it was considered a
weapon. I asked to speak to the manager and was told the same thing.
9. I reported this Engels, and told him I would try to go to UPS the next day and see if they would ship it. Hours later, I checked online UPS and determined the shipper is liable, and decided I could not take a chance with confiscation and having to return the payment and shipping and losing the goods.
10. I reported to Engels that i had no other choice but to return his payment and shipping, which I did.
Then the threats, cussing and whining began. He said he was going to complain to PPal about something he did not agree with. I told him to be sure and tell them he did not agree with it now, but did originally.
Now it is the principal of the thing, I am determined he will not get $100 from me.
Tom
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I choose not to respond to this thread just as I chose not to respond to his last few emails where he threatened and called me a thief, crook and liar.
However, I will make these points, if you want to post them please preface them with the note that I choose not to give him the satisfaction of posting .
1. the fellow trashed up my for sale post trying to get me to agree to sell out of CONUS. (should have been my first clue he cannot read)
2. I did not "make" him do anything. I told him of my terms, never expecting him to agree to them.
3. He emailed me back saying he understood and asking for my PayPal address.
4. He sent the $100, I went to the PO with the wrapped package and had them weigh it and quote me shipping and insurance. I really didn't think they would insure it. They said they would at over $50 for priority mail, and IIRR somewhere near $36 for ship and insurance. He wrote back to go the cheaper route.*
5. I reported this to him, and he asked if I was going to give him credit for the first $100. I told him NO, that was not our agreement, to go back and reread our emails. He whined and bitched and I told him i could relabel the package and sell to someone else.
6. He sent another email, maybe the next day, and said I was right. He paid through PayPal.
7. (this all took place over a few days during the Veterans say holiday.)*
8. After I saw from PPal he had paid, I went back to PO with the package. There they told me I had to cover the package with brown wrapping paper. I did, then went back to the post office, they took the package and read the customs declaration and told me they could not ship a camping knife to Belgium as it was considered a
weapon. I asked to speak to the manager and was told the same thing.
9. I reported this Engels, and told him I would try to go to UPS the next day and see if they would ship it. Hours later, I checked online UPS and determined the shipper is liable, and decided I could not take a chance with confiscation and having to return the payment and shipping and losing the goods.
10. I reported to Engels that i had no other choice but to return his payment and shipping, which I did.
Then the threats, cussing and whining began. He said he was going to complain to PPal about something he did not agree with. I told him to be sure and tell them he did not agree with it now, but did originally.
Now it is the principal of the thing, I am determined he will not get $100 from me.
Tom
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