Camillus Closed

Is the Camillus brand name for sale? That's seemingly the only asset that might have value to the "spreadsheet" crowd.

It's a shame that there's now a building, sitting idle, full of equipment used to make knives, and hundreds of years of knife making experience (in the form of former employees) going to waste. I'm wondering out loud here, but it would seem that getting the place included in an Empire Zone and getting some state funding to restart might not be out of the realm of possibilities.

New management, old school craftsmen, clean slate with respect to the balance sheet... Just a thought.


Ordin
 
I don't want to steal all of cookie's thunder, but I'll start:
Mooremaker
Cold steel
Kabar
Case
Buck
Spyderco
Schrade

I'm sure he'll come up with more!
 
I hate to sound like someone taking items from a dead body, but if a auction is held to sell the leftover items, from knives, to boxes, to catalogs etc, will it be open to the public?
 
I dunno, but how it happened with Schrade the incredible volume of stuff made it impossible to sell off piece by piece to the public. Few people as individuals would have the warehouse space, transportation, and cash to buy seven semi-truck loads of knives, parts, and whatever else. But Smoky Mountain Knife Works did, and I don't even know if anyone else bid against them to get the stuff. The knives, including the factory display pieces, did eventually get auctioned or sold off to the public, either through SMKW eBay auctions or their catalogs.

-Bob
 
Me too, it would help preserve the heritage as well.
It's a dark day for all knife enthusiasts everywhere.
 
Camillus will be missed by all the knife aficionados in New Mexico. We are thinking of everyone and wish you the best!! Gone but never forgotten!
WOOK
 
Legal action should be taken to preserve an historical landmark. I am am not surprised that this has not been addressed by the city of Camillus already. There is no reason that it can't be a working site, with previous employees. If I could be in the next City Commission meeting , I would be.
 
In knew this was coming!

Todays Syracuse Post Standard:
http://www.syracuse.com/articles/business/index.ssf?/base/business-7/1172743882213540.xml&coll=1

Cutlery Co. Shorts Pension Fund
Camillus company misses $5M payment; liens placed against assets
Thursday, March 01, 2007
By Tim Knauss
Staff writer

The three dozen remaining employees of Camillus Cutlery Co. punched out for the last time Wednesday afternoon, closing the last chapter of a century-old knife manufacturer that once employed more than 700 people.

The end was extra bitter, a union leader said, because company officials provided no information to employees as they left about their pensions and other matters.

Amid the silence, there was evidence the pensions might be underfunded.

The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., a federal agency that insures pensions, last week placed liens against the assets of Camillus Cutlery, which failed to make nearly $5 million in contributions to its pension plans in November.

The company missed a scheduled contribution of about $1.7 million to its pension plan for salaried employees and a contribution of about $3.2 million to the retirement plan for hourly employees, according to documents filed with the New York Department of State.

The liens allow the pension insurer to return money to the pension plans if there are proceeds from the sale of company assets. But the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. has not assumed control of the pensions, said Jeffrey Speicher, speaking for the pension insurer.

Speicher said he had no further information about the status of the pension funds, which are managed by Camillus Cutlery.

Kathy Westcott, president of United Steelworkers Local 4783 and a 30-year veteran of the cutlery, said she and 15 other hourly workers received no information Wednesday. They do not know when their health insurance expires, whether they will be paid for unused vacations or whom to contact about their pensions.

"We were never given any information from management - no goodbyes, no nothing," she said.

Salaried employees were told their health insurance ended Wednesday and that further information would be

mailed to them, Westcott said.

Managers and owners of the company declined comment.

The company is privately owned by members of the Schwartz and Kaufman families, descendants of former owner Albert Baer, employees say. None of the owners resides locally.

Ed Fletcher, mayor of the village of Camillus, where the cutlery has operated since 1894, said he has tried to reach principals of the company for information but none has returned his calls.

"I've been after them for eight months," he said.

Wednesday, a man who answered the phone at the residence of co-owner John Gilbert Kaufman, of Coral Gables, Fla., said, "I can't talk to you" and hung up when told a reporter was calling.

Tim Knauss can be reached at tknauss@syracuse.com or 470-3023.
 
Maybe someone can get the steel stock the Beckers were made from and make more knives at least.
 
It is a shame that the loyal employees of Camillus are treated so badly. :mad:

I bet if Albert Baer was around he would be kicking the butts of some of his heirs!

Dale
 
In knew this was coming!
Yep, it's typical. Private pensions are not protected by law, unless you're a government employee. There is a federal program that buys/accumulated abandoned pension plans (Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp) , but it's also underfunded and over-utilized.

I don't know the effects of a company missing a single payment cycle either. May not be the end of the world. In a more serious situation the owners sometimes drain the funds completely or have underfunded the plans over a period of years.

Often times a company is bought out, the new owners drain the pension funds, then declare bancrupcy. The pension funds being the sole target of the buyout. Not saying that's what happened to Camillus, but it is S.O.P. in the business world.

Hopefully the long-term employees of Camillus were smart enough to invest in their own retirement through IRAs, etc. With all of the well-advertised pension swindles in the news over the last ten years, there's no reason for anyone to have not been prepared.

-Bob
 
Ashtxsniper and Codger 64
With all my free time I plan to list all brands that we made proudly at the plant. Stay tuned.
Cookie

Cookie: Here is a list of Buck knives made by Camillus (list created by Buck Forum member: The Last Confederate).

Model# Name

301 Stockman
303 Cadet
305 Lancer
307 Wrangler
309 Companion
311 Slim Trapper
313 Muskrat
315 Yachtsman
317 Trailblazer
319 Rancher
321 Bird Knife
322 Congress
329 Medium Trapper
331 Barlow
332 Barlow
333 Toothpick
334 Jumbo Large Trapper.
 
The company is privately owned by members of the Schwartz and Kaufman families, descendants of former owner Albert Baer, employees say. None of the owners resides locally.
I've long believed that companies run by absentee owners approach their business much differently than the owner who shows up first in the morning, then turns out the lights at the end of the day. I'm not going to say that the presence of a local owner would have changed the fortunes of this fine, old American company, or that absentee owners assure that business will fail, this is just an observation that jumped out at me from the newspaper article.
 
I don't know the effects of a company missing a single payment cycle either. May not be the end of the world. In a more serious situation the owners sometimes drain the funds completely or have underfunded the plans over a period of years.

I think both the pension plans have been underfunded for many years! :jerkit:
 
I don't think Albert Baer's heirs will see him where they're going.
A couple of days ago a custom knife maker said Albert Baer was a good guy. And that he still has his name on a list for a special knife that he oredered. I guess in some way he is showing respect for a man that was such a big part of U.S. cutlery industry history.
It is unfortunate that his heirs did not have any respect for him.
 
I think both the pension plans have been underfunded for many years! :jerkit:

That is a shame.
Maybe if they put owners & managers in prison for doing that sort of thing, the practice might stop.

Or else they move the plant overseas where they don't have to worry about pensions, workers comp, worker safety, or DEQ regulations.

How could any business owner treat the people who work for them in such a shoddy manner? Break out the horse whip!

Just my $.02,
Dale
 
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