Can a knife be both a REAL folder and a REAL fixed-blade?

[Surfingringo]

The only thing I'd be willing to agree on is that the guy didn't understand what he bought. Now if he put a dab of red Loctite on the bolt . . .

I know this is really driving some of you guys nuts, but think about it. Name a single manufacturer of fixed-blades who claims that their fixed-blades can be folded. Now name a single manufacturer of folders that claims that their folders can't be folded. See where I'm going with this? Some of you may not understand it. But with one notable exception, people who manufacture knives for a living seem to be able to distinguish between folders and fixed-blades without confusing them.

I respect your dogged resolve. It reminds me of leghog's contentions that a knife that is not being used is not actually a knife.

 

[bld522]

Thanks. Applying my resolve is not nearly as difficult as it may appear. Most folks know how to use their common sense. That lightens my load considerably and leaves me having to contend only with the few that don't.

And leghorn's contention is absurd. Suggesting that a knife isn't a knife if it's not being used is just as ridiculous as suggesting that a car isn't a car if it's not being driven. Knives and cars are objects, not actions. Using them has nothing to do with their physical characteristics. It only has to do with what they can be used for. Yet you'd be amazed at the number of illiterates around here who actually believe that if you don't use your knives, your knives aren't knives anymore. Those pathetic souls don't need a class in Cutlery 101, they need a class in English 101.

 

[Surfingringo]

Thanks. Applying my resolve is not nearly as difficult as it may appear. Most folks know how to use their common sense. That lightens my load considerably and leaves me having to contend only with the few that don't.

And leghorn's contention is absurd. Suggesting that a knife isn't a knife if it's not being used is just as ridiculous as suggesting that a car isn't a car if it's not being driven. Knives and cars are objects, not actions. Using them has nothing to do with their physical characteristics. It only has to do with what they can be used for. Yet you'd be amazed at the number of illiterates around here who actually believe that if you don't use your knives, your knives aren't knives anymore. Those pathetic souls don't need a class in Cutlery 101, they need a class in English 101.

Agreed. Absurd! Nothing nearly so logical as suggesting a fixed blade is not a fixed blade if the handle can be removed and put in a different position.

I'm just takin the piss out of ya man. I mostly agree with you but I do believe that being overly rigid with our thinking stifles creativity. I was trying to use some sarcasm to nudge that idea forward but I know that almost never works on the internet. I still like to try though. Carry on soldiers!!

 

[bld522]

I'm all about promoting creativity. But definitions are important, too. They provide a basis for understanding and communicating with each other using terms we all agree on. How important is it that we use the definitions we've agreed on properly? Apparently important enough to sue each other over.

 

[davek14]

Though considered a technicality or not, it is everything but the knife that folds.
Folding corkscrew, check
folding file(?), Check
Folding saw, Check

Folding Knife? error 404: file not found

So.. plenty of these. And this is a pretty one.

I do think a friction folder with a big tang and a bolt or two applies. Once it's unfolded and screws or bolts are inserted and tightened there is nothing to really distinguish it from some fixed blades.

 

[bodog]

What if a fixed blade was designed with a small blade that was hidden in the handle and rotated out on a pivot? I'd say that knife could be both. other than that it seems kind of obvious that if a knife is designed to fold then it's a folder

 

[newdebate]

So.. plenty of these. And this is a pretty one.

I do think a friction folder with a big tang and a bolt or two applies. Once it's unfolded and screws or bolts are inserted and tightened there is nothing to really distinguish it from some fixed blades.

Gosh, look at that! A knife that is both a REAL folder and a REAL fixed blade!!!

In a thread with an edited title. Nothing like moving the goalpost when the point is lost.

 

[bld522]

Really? In what way is the title edited? And how exactly did I lose the point?

The fact is, I DIDN'T edit the title even though I acknowledged that I had made a mistake by not excluding multi-blade knives. And a quick glance at the poll indicates that, among those who voted for or against the point, the vast majority voted with me . . . to wit: A knife with a single blade cannot be both a fixed-blade knife and a folder. So apparently most of them assumed correctly that I was referring to a single-blade knife when I posted my poll and cast their votes accordingly.

PS: It's always a good idea to get your facts straight before you enter into a debate, Mr. newdebate.

 

[brancron]

Really? In what way is the title edited? And how exactly did I lose the point?

The fact is, I DIDN'T edit the title even though I acknowledged that I had made a mistake by not excluding multi-blade knives. And a quick glance at the poll indicates that, among those who voted for or against the point, the vast majority voted with me . . . to wit: A knife with a single blade cannot be both a fixed-blade knife and a folder. So apparently most of them assumed correctly that I was referring to a single-blade knife when I posted my poll and cast their votes accordingly.

PS: It's always a good idea to get your facts straight before you enter into a debate, Mr. newdebate.

This was a dumb question with an obvious answer (which is of course "no," a knife can't be simultaneously a folder and a fixed blade). So don't get upset when people get creative with their responses.

 

[MEJ]

I think were losing the main point of this thread... Turtles!

Nothing like moving the goalpost when the point is lost.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Now this is the REAL question that needs answering. Can a Turtle be a teenage mutant and a ninja? Or have we been lied to?

 

[davek14]

Now this is the REAL question that needs answering. Can a Turtle be a teenage mutant and a ninja? Or have we been lied to?

I know lottsa middle age mutant factory workers

 

[bodog]

Really? In what way is the title edited? And how exactly did I lose the point?

The fact is, I DIDN'T edit the title even though I acknowledged that I had made a mistake by not excluding multi-blade knives. And a quick glance at the poll indicates that, among those who voted for or against the point, the vast majority voted with me . . . to wit: A knife with a single blade cannot be both a fixed-blade knife and a folder. So apparently most of them assumed correctly that I was referring to a single-blade knife when I posted my poll and cast their votes accordingly.

PS: It's always a good idea to get your facts straight before you enter into a debate, Mr. newdebate.

What of there was a single bladed long assed knife whose tang went fully into the handle and there was a part of the handle that rotated out so you could use two hands instead of one?

 

[JDX]

I'm pretty sure CRKT released a knife at shot show of a folder that comes with this bar that goes through the locking mechanism and "transforms" it into a fixed blade. Basically there's a pin that puts all the pressure on that pin instead of the lock allowing you to baton or use in heavy applications. Although it's a small blade so batoning wouldn't work. Also, not 100% on how the pin works, so I advise you to go on their site.

Still thougg, I wouldn't consider it a fixed blade

 

[bld522]

What of there was a single bladed long assed knife whose tang went fully into the handle and there was a part of the handle that rotated out so you could use two hands instead of one?

I'm done with what-if's. Show me a manufacturer who makes one and we'll talk about it.

 

[bld522]

This was a dumb question with an obvious answer (which is of course "no," a knife can't be simultaneously a folder and a fixed blade). So don't get upset when people get creative with their responses.

I wasn't upset with the response. I was upset with the innuendo and the lack of research. And I don't mind if people get creative so long as they don't lose all touch with reality.

 

[newdebate]

Yes, that actually works. It's a fixed blade that incorporates folding blades in the handle. So you're technically correct. Well done!

Had I said "can a knife with a single blade be both a REAL folder and a REAL fixed-blade", you'd be wrong. But I didn't say that. And I'm not about to change my question mid-stream. So you win!

How soon we forget.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

I seem to remember there was an "automatic" knife company a decent ways back that made a little fixed blade knife with a plastic cover that retracted to expose the blade when you flipped a slide on the handle. It was technically legal in a lot of places that outlawed automatics because it was a fixed blade with a retracting cover rather than a blade that was actuated by the switch.

 

[stabman]

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[Insipid Moniker]

I suppose the Harley Davidson T-Rod might qualify. It's a fixed blade that folds into a different kind of fixed blade. Not terribly relevant to the main point of the thread, but a possible exception nonetheless.