Can a knife be both a REAL folder and a REAL fixed-blade?

Can a knife be both a REAL folder and a REAL fixed-blade?

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Yeah. Based on my lack of clarity, you win too!

I won't change the title of the thread or the poll, but just to get real, let's limit it to a single blade. OK?
 
bld522 said:
Sorry. If it folds . . . and it does fold . . . it's a folder. In fact, it's nothing more than a modified friction folder. But I'll give it "E" for effort.
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I don't get that. Once in the open position, in what way would it be any different then a fixed blade with removable scales?
 
bld522 said:
Yeah. Based on my lack of clarity, you win too!

I won't change the title of the thread or the poll, but just to get real, let's limit it to a single blade. OK?
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Ok, quick clarification please, can this single Blade Fold or is it Fixed in position?

There, You Just had it...

There it is again, your answer. You just answered your own poll.

(I like this game)
 
Shotgun said:
I don't get that. Once in the open position, in what way would it be any different then a fixed blade with removable scales?
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Simple. Remove the scales on a fixed blade and what do you have? A fixed-blade. Remove the screw from the handle on brancron's design and what do you have? A folder. Tell me you don't understand the difference.
 
NJBillK said:
Ok, quick clarification please, can this single Blade Fold or is it Fixed in position?
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You're kidding. If this single blade is designed to fold, it's a folder. If this single blade is in fixed-position and it's not designed to fold, it's a fixed-blade.
 
bld522 said:
Simple. Remove the scales on a fixed blade and what do you have? A fixed-blade. Remove the screw from the handle on brancron's design and what do you have? A folder. Tell me you don't understand the difference.
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Remove one screw from the scales of a survive 3.5 and rotate the scales to cover the blade. If there was a mechanism to hold it in that position there would effectively be no difference. Tell me you don't understand what a 180 degree rotation is. ;) Or is your sticking point tang size?
 
Shotgun said:
Remove one screw from the scales of a survive 3.5 and rotate the scales to cover the blade. If there was a mechanism to hold it in that position there would effectively be no difference. Tell me you don't understand what a 180 degree rotation is. ;) Or is your sticking point tang size?
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Nice try. But you're clutching at straws. A Survive 3.5 isn't designed to operate that way, is it?

One more time. If the blade is designed to fold, it's a folder. If the blade is in fixed-position and it's not designed to fold, it's a fixed-blade. You want to keep going?
 
bld522 said:
Nice try. But you're clutching at straws. A Survive 3.5 isn't designed to operate that way, is it?

One more time. If the blade is designed to fold, it's a folder. If the blade is in fixed-position and it's not designed to fold, it's a fixed-blade.
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So you're going with a literal definition. Okay. A knife folds open and then the blade is fixed in place with a screw. It's a fixed bladed knife at that point. Pull the screw at and it's no longer fixed and can now fold. It's now a folder.
 
Shotgun said:
So you're going with a literal definition. Okay. A knife folds open and then the blade is fixed in place with a screw. It's a fixed bladed knife at that point. Pull the screw at and it's no longer fixed and can now fold. It's now a folder.
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No, it's not. If a pin or a screw can be removed from a fixed-blade knife and the knife is then designed to operate like a folder, it was a folder all along. Why? Because a REAL fixed-blade knife doesn't fold . . . EVER. Now are you done?
 
I asked this earlier...

But what about a modified balisong in which only the bottom part of the handle moves, and the top part of the handle is fixed with the blade (via full tang)?

Then, the bottom part of the handle is free to move up to cover the blade, or the blade can pivot relative to and towards the stationary bottom handle position.

That way, the entire fixed blade rotates into the handle.


Or, a fixed blade with an exposable full tang that pivots around the center (at the handle) to 180 degrees to secure itself in the opening of the handle's bottom.

At either open or closed position, they lock securely into place.


They're technically fixed blades that fold, right?
 
bld522 said:
No, it's not. If a pin or a screw can be removed from a fixed-blade knife and the knife is then designed to operate like a folder, it was a folder all along. And fixed-blade knives don't fold . . . EVER. Now are you done?
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With this silly semantics game. Yup. :rolleyes:
 
St33L said:
I asked this earlier...

But what about a modified balisong in which only the bottom part of the handle moves, and the top part of the handle is fixed with the blade (via full tang)?

Then, the bottom part of the handle is free to move up to cover the blade, or the blade can pivot relative to and towards the stationary bottom handle position.

That way, the entire fixed blade rotates into the handle.


Or, a fixed blade with an exposable full tang that pivots around the center (at the handle) to 180 degrees to secure itself in the opening of the handle's bottom.

At either open or closed position, they lock securely into place.


They're technically fixed blades that fold, right?
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Link me to what you're talking about and let me take a look.
 
Why does a knife have to be either a fixed blade or a folder? It seems like you have created a false dichotomy and by doing so have already defined your own parameters on what is or is not a folding or fixed blade knife. If a knife consisting of a solid continuous material than it is a fixed blade knife. Putting a pin through the handle or rotate the hand grips to cover the blade as a quick attachment method also allows it to be considered as a folding knife, for a folding knifes defining characteristic is its ability to confine part of the blade when not in use.

So yes a knife can be both a folder and a fixed blade, and these two concepts are not mutually exclusive of one another.
 
bld522 said:
Link me to what you're talking about and let me take a look.
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Well, I'm looking at in my mind. Here is what I mean below, at least for the second example.

It will secure and release the same way as a folder, and pivot around the center.

The bottom and top of the handle are both open, so as to allow the entire exposed fixed blade to move.

The blade is always fixed with a full tang, but it will always fold into the handle at the bottom.

It's easier to fold the blade into the relatively fixed position of the handle instead of vice versa, sort of like a top break gun.

In fact, trying to move the handle relative to a fixed blade will probably prove harder.

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bld522 said:
You're kidding. If this single blade is designed to fold, it's a folder. If this single blade is in fixed-position and it's not designed to fold, it's a fixed-blade.
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Ok, so by Your own statement, I will reiterate my point via self quote. (That's right, the end all be all of jack-assery of forum participation is going to rear its ugly head)

Without further ado, my initial post:
NJBillK said:
Well hrm... that Is both a "folder" while being a fixed blade, I think that it in essence would be considered a fixed blade knife. Primarily since the (main) Blade of the Knife is in a Fixed location relative to the handle.

AJ: Nice piece with a Great amount of history with you attached. My condolences on your loss.

Tldr= blade fixed to handle without intention of movement of said blade = a fixed blade knife.
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I haven't read through this all of this yet, but I just had to say: Here is a design for a folding fixed blade. It is essentially a friction folder with a massive tang. Tada!

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It manages to be the worst of both worlds. It's a fixed blade with crap blade to handle ratio, AND it is also a folder that doesn't fit in your pocket!

Edit: Well shoot, someone else already posted something like this. I guess I'll have to stop my patent proceedings ;)
 
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