can someone explain to me why there is a maxpedition boycott?

To me it doesn't matter if the highest rank mick achieved was a boy scout. He is a talented knife maker and I will continue to buy strider blades.

Mad dog knives? Never heard of them until all of this started and I did a search on them, my opinion based on how they look :yawn:
 
BrandonLeeMcKinley said:
You people (RWS) want to do business with a person who has never done crime before well it is not possible as everyone you know.. I also find it amusing that you would put carjacking up there with child-molesting... but hey what do I know maybe you were carjacked as a child.
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Nope, I was never car jacked.

Fortunately, my extreme disgust toward particular crimes and toward those who have committed them isn't limited to just crimes that have been committed against me.

I mentioned some very specific crimes that I feel strongly about and grouped them in the context of crimes that I believe deserve capital punishment considerations. Living in LA, car jacking is one of many that fall into that category. The only reason that I grouped these crimes in the same category is because I believe they all deserve to be considered capital punishable offenses. The folks who commit these crimes, as well as a dishonorable discharge, will never have my respect.

Off topic--- What gets me is that your argument implies that even if some man, or woman had committed a vile act such as child- molestation, you wouldn't have a problem with patronizing them because you know deep down inside "no one is perfect" and everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt during their quest for a second chance in life. Perhaps you're right. I just don't view it that way at this moment. I am a very forgiving person, but not a fool.

I don't know Strider at all other than by way of some very convincing stuff that I've read here that would cause me to think twice before buying his stuff.

I know a lot of the good people here do know him and can vouch for him. That's worth something no doubt.
 
Ok, ok. I won't say anything else about the snapping turtle. :)

What I will say is that Mick can come spend all the time he wants here with me and my family. I trust and respect him completely. He messed up, paid for it, and since has been a good member of our society.

Having been around these many knife forums since the beginning, I've seen and read alot of good things and way too much garbage. This whole issue has been in that garbage category.

For those of you who now refuse to buy a Strider because of things said in all this garbage, more power to you. That's your decision.

BTW, I'm not a Striderette. I do like his knives though.

Also, in the over 20 years that I spent in the U.S. Army, if I had a nickel for every time someone told me that they "spent time there" or "served with that unit" when they didn't, especially after both Viet Nam and the first Gulf War, I'd be a gazillionaire.

Mick served and that's good enough for me. In the years that we've known each other, I never recall hearing him say anything like what some people have claimed. I have seen him support our troops more than anyone else I know.
 
RWS said:
Nope, I was never car jacked.

Fortunately, my extreme disgust toward particular crimes and toward those who have committed them isn't limited to just crimes that have been committed against me.

I mentioned some very specific crimes that I feel strongly about and grouped them in the context of crimes that I believe deserve capital punishment considerations. Living in LA, car jacking is one of many that fall into that category. The only reason that I grouped these crimes in the same category is because I believe they all deserve to be considered capital punishable offenses. The folks who commit these crimes, as well as a dishonorable discharge, will never have my respect.

Off topic--- What gets me is that your argument implies that even if some man, or woman had committed a vile act such as child- molestation, you wouldn't have a problem with patronizing them because you know deep down inside "no one is perfect" and everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt during their quest for a second chance in life. Perhaps you're right. I just don't view it that way at this moment. I am a very forgiving person, but not a fool.

I don't know Strider at all other than by way of some very convincing stuff that I've read here that would cause me to think twice before buying his stuff.

I know a lot of the good people here do know him and can vouch for him. That's worth something no doubt.
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While I respect the idea that criminals should be punished for their crimes, I can't equate car-jacking with child molestation.
With that said Mick served his time and has since become a productive member of society, the reason so many people think so highly of him is a reflection of that statement. Mick did his time and now he is getting more garbage heaped on him for that crime which he paid for. I think that is wrong. As for his service to this country..... was he a Ranger or wasn't he a Ranger.... first and foremost the original question was had he even served. Ask and answered. Mick posted his DD-214 for all to see.... it has since been removed as it really is no ones business. but the gist you get is this on the DD-214 it said ranger it also said HONORABLE DISCHARGE..... Now my biggest problem with this is that the person questioning his service (MadDog) has no MILITARY service to his name. He claims 2-5 years service for companies by the name of NinjaCo and someother name that I don't remember but someone has posted just before this. To my knowledge which is limited I know; there is no correlation to the US Military and these companies..... maybe they are some top secret CIA Black Book organizations I don't know.
And the least of which and I can not really appreciate Cougars tongue and cheek on this.... is the posting of the names and addresses of family be them grown or otherwise.... that is really the lowest of the low because the reality is that the information was disseminated to other than just Knife Salesmen this information is out there sure but who really needs to know it. I see there is no real way to please all the people all the time but the facts are this Boycott was other peoples idea not Mick's and if people want to trash that product then fine I won't stand in their way. The way the thing has played out leaves me disgusted with the whole lot that have come to bear against my friend. I don't post here allot because I usually keep to the Badlands Forums. I enjoy learning from people there and that is not to say there are not a lot of people to learn from here I just feel a little more comfortable at the other forum. That said I post here with as level a head as I can, but I will continue to defend my friend until he tells me to stop or I am banned which ever comes first.
 
RWS said:
...your argument implies that even if some man, or woman had committed a vile act such as child- molestation...
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I would see stealing someone one's car and sexually molesting a underage child as being more than slightly different.

I had friends who stole cars (not at gun point), they were not horrible people, just young and stupid and basically didn't consider the consequences of their actions, idiots yes, but I don't think they should get put to death for it.

That being said, people who have been molested when young can be severly adversely effected by it. This can lead to them repeating a circle of behavior later in life. This doesn't make it right, doesn't mean there should not be consequences.

However put yourself in the situation where you are molested when young and everyone you tell blames you. It is not difficult for me to see that a basically good person could get severly warped by such behavior and end up doing horrible things because of it.

Again this doesn't make it right, doesn't mean they should not be held accountable, however to me, the circumstances are relevant and should be considered. And again, as noted, I think this is far removed from robbing someone's car.

-Cliff
 
Mick served his country, in a fashion suitable enough for those in the service (whether special operations or not) to CONTINUE to send business his way.
Is this enough, or are we to assume, as Kevin did, that those in the spec-ops field are too stupid to realize the truth, and are STILL blind?

He made a mistake, and paid for it.
Does that automatically make him an okay guy now?
No.
But he is, and much more.
Are you a different person than you were 11 years ago?
Take the time to meet him before you pass judgement.

As far as "this" NOT being about the knives?
Please, Kevin.

Mick IS a friend of mine.
I would trust him with the lives of my children.
Not because he was a Ranger.
Not because he makes knives.
It's because he is a good man.

Scott
 
Hi All-

Sure are a bunch of brand new BladeForums posters on this thread of late... Based on what I have read, I will not purchase a Strider folder that I've been anxious to purchase for months. That's too bad because I really love the designs and they look extremely sturdy.

One does not "accidentally" find themselves committing carjackings due to poor judgement or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Carjacking is a violent crime with intent. It has nothing to do with youthful indescretions. The circumstances don't matter....carjacking is wrong. Those who do it and get caught should plan to cool their heels in prison for a LONG time. They should be prepared to be scrutinized by law-abiding members of society when released.

I can't send Mick Strider hundreds of dollars with a clear conscience after learning about his criminal background.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Cliff, That's funny. I had ex-friends that stole cars for fun too and I thought they were scumbags.

Most importantly, for your pretty weak attempt to correct my equation of car jacking to child molestation, I'll correct you in your attempt to equate unarmed joyriding by some "stupid" young kids "having some fun" to that of armed car jacking....then, you follow that with "but I don't think they should get put to death for it."
You're kidding aren't you, Cliff?

Let's just agree to disagree on the punishment of this despicable crime.

Furthermore, is this really your deduction out of my post?

Read my post again, Cliff.

My equation was in the context of punishment, not physical acts performed by the criminal. But now that I think about it, I hope you never get a call from your frantic wife telling you that the car was car jacked while she was getting in it at the mall and that your 10 year old daughter is still in the back seat. Maybe you’ll change your mind on how potentially severe the crime of car jacking can easily become as some scumbag forces his way at gunpoint into your wifes car.

Here's exactly what I said, and meant,
"I mentioned some very specific crimes that I feel strongly about and grouped them in the context of crimes that I believe deserve capital punishment considerations."

What part of this don’t you get so that I can rephrase it for you?
 
Wow... :eek: :rolleyes: :barf:

All sides are coming off looking bad in this one. It seems neither side can stick to the facts, and at this point I'm not even sure what the facts are, or if there are any. It's just insults, innuendo, and inanity.

It seems we have two knife making "camps" that are both helmed by a person that may have misrepresented their military service. I have seen no real evidence to back up either side. Can everybody agree with that?

They both hate each other for reasons that probably aren't even being adressed here. Reasons that go back long before this fiasco. Right?

There is a company that makes pseudomilitary nylon gear mixed into this, and I still don't understand what their beef is with Strider. Maybe if I bother to read the TF threads I may, but I doubt it.

All the businesses involved are coming out of this looking silly. If I were running a business I would try to distance myself from something like this ASAP. Responding to allegations like this only lends them credibility, and that goes for everybody.

For the record, I don't own a Strider, Mad Dog, or Maxpedition product. This BS isn't keeping me from buying any of the above, but it sure isn't making me want to run out and purchase any either. Bad blood=bad publicity=bad business.

I do strongly believe that Kit should come out with a new folder called the Snapping Turtle. Hooked stellite blade, carbon fiber shell, turtle tail scull crusher, that would rock! :thumbup: :D
 
I do strongly believe that Kit should come out with a new folder called the Snapping Turtle. Hooked stellite blade, carbon fiber shell, turtle tail scull crusher, that would rock! :thumbup:
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That's the smartest thing anyone has said in this thread yet. :D
 
RWS said:
I mentioned some very specific crimes that I feel strongly about and grouped them in the context of crimes that I believe deserve capital punishment considerations.
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Yes and I noted I feel the circumstances are worthy of consideration. Children who have been the victim of violent abuse often turn into abusers themselves. Does their past make what they do later in life ok - no. Does it mean there should not be consequences - no. Will everyone agree on how they should be treated - no.

-Cliff
 
Blue Jays said:
Hi All-

Sure are a bunch of brand new BladeForums posters on this thread of late... Based on what I have read, I will not purchase a Strider folder that I've been anxious to purchase for months. That's too bad because I really love the designs and they look extremely sturdy.

I can't send Mick Strider hundreds of dollars with a clear conscience after learning about his criminal background.

~ Blue Jays ~
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Don't worry I am sure they won't feel that loss. It is too bad you are going to let something like this influence you and your buying power but the beauty of this country is that it is your right. Enjoy it. I said what I said and I don't think anybody has stated that I lied so what is the real deal here? I mean there is NOBODY here with the exception I guess of RWS that hasn't broken a rule or law. That being said if they are bad enough in the eyes of RWS then I guess everyone should be put to death...... hey what do I know I could be really out of line I mean it sounds like his Wife was carjacked and his 10 year old daughter was left in the back of the car; maybe that is where he comes off with carjacking being the same as child-molestation.
They are not, I can guarantee you, RWS, they are not the same. One of my best friends was molested as a child and they are no where near the same category as a crime or an act against another human being. And you are right I too believe CHILD MOLESTERS should be put to death..... And I don't mean deathrow and courts I mean taken out and hanged right there and right then. PERIOD. That includes the priests that the Catholic Church hides and anybody involved with hiding them. And now you know where I stand on child molestation. As for carjacking. Yeah I can see it as being a bad thing for those being carjacked and if in fact your family has had this happen my condolences for them and you RWS. Most of the carjackings don't involve the molestation of a child and if they do then they are two different crimes with two very different punishments in my mind, but ultimately they are TWO different crimes and must be dissected that way. Unless it can be shown that the carjacking was premeditated to commit the child molestation or rape... which in fact it would be because child molestation is in fact a crime that is many times worse in my eye then rape and I feel the same punishment be brought to bear on rapists as well; no courts, no jail, just death. As for Mick he did what he did and paid the price as warranted by the government; and yet you want to punish him again. Why is that, were you the guy he carjacked? I mean if you are then you have first person knowledge and can set this whole thing straight.
 
I'm not going to fence with you about what I think is right and wrong while you defend your friend who committed an armed car jacking.

I can't believe this. We're all a bunch of gun loving, knife toting guys who are about to lose our rights in this country to have either because of criminal acts exactly like this and we're suppose to be ok with it?

Secondly, what a pretzel logic interpretation of everything I've said, Brandon. You're either pretty slow or a politician. Either way, I have no use for your response except as follows:

Don't make RWS the bad guy here. I didn't stick a gun in somebody's face and take their car.
 
Hi BrandonLeeMcKinley-

Your last post is almost breathless in nature, so I'm not sure where to begin.

From what we can understand from the various threads, Mick Strider (a.k.a. Mickey Burger) was convicted by a jury and subsequently sentenced to prison for the crime of carjacking. It matters not whether the carjacking was committed with a firearm, knife, or strongarmed force...it is a violent and premeditated crime that deserves serious punishment.

One can minimize this crime all they wish, but can you imagine being the innocent person who faces a carjacker who is threatening bodily harm? The victim of this terrible experience probably wouldn't be as "understanding" as many on this thread. I make this commentary as someone who has never been personally affected by violent crime.

You're absolutely right about "voting" with my wallet. If the folks at Strider Knives don't care what their customer demographic thinks of them, they should hire some experts to get them straightened-out. Goodwill is a critical part of conducting successful business and can easily be lost as it just was in my case. I can't send Mick Strider hundreds of dollars with a clear conscience after learning about his criminal background.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Folks, I'm going to reiterate something. Sky Masterson, pay attention.

Sky Masterson said:
Moderators let these disgusting attacks on a man's family & business

continue because it was not a "flame war".It's not?
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The moderators here are allowing this thread to continue because that is what this forum is for; discussion of your experiences with manufacturers, dealers or individuals. That is what is going on here. We are not biased in any way concerning this matter; we are merely letting you folks discuss the issue at hand. This is not a flame war. If it digresses into one, we will close the thread down.



Sky Masterson said:
Blade forums is open to all,why can't Kevin McLung join Blade Forums &

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You would have to ask the owner of Bladeforums.McClung was a member here several years ago (IIRC) and Spark and Mike Turber terminated his membership here. If you'd like to get technical, why can't I post on McClung's forum? Ask him that.

Sky Masterson said:
We don't like links to other forums,especially those that some

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Because the owners have agreed to that, and it is our job as moderators to enforce that agreement. I am one of several moderators here that was banned from the 'other' forum. I no longer consider that an issue, and it will not interefere with my duties here again. Period.

Sky, if you think that we are just 'standing by' letting people flame other individuals into the dirt, then you need to reevaluate your perspective, and really open your mind. You seem passionate about this issue, and that is great. Just don't let your passion cloud your ability to see this for what it really has become.
 
Blue Jays

I think Brandon got carried away with his comment about a businessman not "feeling the loss" when you stop buying his product. :foot:

I don't think Strider needs Brandon on his side at this point.

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Also, I don't think my posts are adding much at all so I'll refrain from posting anymore in this thread. :thumbup: :cool:
 
Well, the bottom line is that if Strider wasnt being featured on lots of magazine covers, getting bookoo military contracts,selling truckloads of knives, and blowing their competition out of the water, the inquisition never would have happened.

Each person has to decide for themselves where their knife dollars go. Strider knives will continue to get mine.

The way I see it, if a person does his time, pays the price, and then takes their life on a different course, changes for the better, becomes a better person, then they get my respect. For me, this goes for just about anything except child molestation.
 
Hi RWS-

You're a welcomed voice of calm reason on this thread...

Really expensive knives are a pretty specialized product with likely only a couple thousand "hardcore" customers purchasing on a regular basis. BladeForums is a huge online knife community and there are still only about fourteen thousand of us here. It's not like automobiles where millions of units are sold on a quarterly basis and where a few unhappy customers don't affect the sales numbers too much, so we're in complete agreement.

This news about Mick Strider's criminality has saddened me because one of the Strider models (the SMF MARSOC drop-point) was intended to get the nod from me when I saved the $550.00 needed for purchase. I cannot and will not send this man my hard-earned money. Looks like I'll be waiting for Jerry Busse to make a folder someday after all.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
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