Can someone tell me more about the ZT0777M390?

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So I just read through the entire thread in one sitting, twas a lot. Anyhow, I'm excited to hear about the M390 version coming soon and hope that the total production number does indeed surpass the 1000 mark.

I too am greatly impressed with ZT this year. 2013 has been truly remarkable year for the calibers of designs being put out and the others in the works. My wish list for this year was full of Spyderco knives coming out, now only ZTs can be found on that list...
 
KAI is not disclosing when or how many. How can you blame them? When they do give out information all people do is whine and complain.

So what we do know for sure is this: the 0777 will be finished out in M390 and it will be out when it will be out.

What we don't know is how many. It could be 800, it could be 1000, it could even be 1500.

Why sit here and speculate??
 
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jimmer_5 said:
The other thing that is hard to grasp is that the highly anticipated products are generally NEW. New projects are always challenging, and for perfectly normal reasons. A batch of inserts fit too tight and need to be reworked. The screws that looked perfect in the 3D model are too long in reality and replacements need to be sourced. It takes a bit for the assemblers to figure out the idiosyncrasies of the new knife and become efficient at building it. The first batch of knives trickle out a bit more slowly than the later knives. Limited supply increases demand, which increases prices. This kind of situation is not unique to Kershaw/ZT. I wish I had a better answer, but it's just the realities of manufacturing.
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I feel your pain. I worked the 787. :-)
 
This is how I look at it...1000, 1500, or 500...makes no difference to me. I'll still wait my turn on the preorder I placed two years ago.:)
 
PURPLEDC said:
to give credit where credit is due, I dont know of any other company in the knife industry with the goals you guys strive to achieve. And when you set the bar that high it will take time to attain that goal. Some companies like to keep at ground level and play it safe. Then there are those that shoot for the stars and offer something unique. And then there are companies like the one you work for that make like star trek and are going for galaxies unexplored by anyone. When you innovate there will always be set backs. And given the advancements we have seen in cutlery from KAI I really dont think you guys move all that slow. I think the expectations of consumers are what is too high. Most of us dont have any real insight into just what it takes to get an idea from concept in someones mind to a final product. Much less one of the intricate nature you're known for. Its a bit easy for us to sit and point the finger of blame when all we have is nothing but time waiting for a product. And honestly we arent even the ones experiencing the set backs. So if we are frustrated I can only imagine how you feel.
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This. Very much, this. Kai/Kershaw/Zero Tolerance do an outstanding job.

It's just you've created this niche of incredilbly demanding customers, which you generally serve better than anyone in the world. Don't think it isn't appreciated, because it is. When I was serving my tours of duty in marketing (in lieu of prison, it has to be said) we called this "the voice of the customer". We didn't always agree with it (some customers were apparently not from our planet), but we listened.
 
RamZar said:
Best thing is that with the M390 you can put it to good use all day as well.
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- I would have put the original ZT0777 to all kinds of cutting tasks. Same thing I did with the Shun Taiyo and that's probably just as limited as the composite ZT0777. You only live once. A safe queen doesn't do me any good. :cool:
 
Thank you all for your answer. Now I have to find a way to have my money back from the store.

0777 without the composite blade it's just the copy of the Microtech Matrix... style that comes from exotic blade processing is gone.
ZT has lost the respect, at least here in my community. We are not people that give up.
 
ammiraglio said:
0777 without the composite blade it's just the copy of the Microtech Matrix...
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No, I don't think so. :uncomfortableness: We don't need these kind of comments going forward.


ZT has lost the respect, at least here in my community. We are not people that give up.
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So we've lost respect in the Italian knife community because we made 0777's, but you didn't get one?
 
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ammiraglio said:
Thank you all for your answer. Now I have to find a way to have my money back from the store.

0777 without the composite blade it's just the copy of the Microtech Matrix... style that comes from exotic blade processing is gone.
ZT has lost the respect, at least here in my community. We are not people that give up.
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Way way out of line with those comments!
 
With all due respect, you people complaining are driving me crazy!

I assume we're all here because we love knives and (hopefully most of you) love knives from the pleasure that comes with USING them...

having said that, I am of the opinion that changing the blade to m390 is an upgrade simply in that this knife will be a beautiful beast of a user now. Yea, the composite blade was nice, but there's no way I would have used it nearly as much or with as much confidence as I would a solid m390 blade...I didn't feel so bad about missing out on the 777 because of this reason. Now I find myself REALLY wishing I had one on order - I now lust for the 777 MORE because of this blade upgrade. Maybe not as pretty as the composite blade, but the rest of the design is still stunning...and sure to be super tough - ZT, KAI you guys continue to kick-ass :thumbup:

I've always perceived ZT knives as knives that beg for use - I think this is what makes them such a great value...the increased useability to come from the m390 makes this an upgrade in my eyes...


So having said that, how can I get one?! If any of you unhappy with the change want to give up your order, please contact me!
 
ammiraglio said:
Thank you all for your answer. Now I have to find a way to have my money back from the store.

0777 without the composite blade it's just the copy of the Microtech Matrix... style that comes from exotic blade processing is gone.
ZT has lost the respect, at least here in my community. We are not people that give up.
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So what you're saying is more for us?

Sweet!
 
ammiraglio said:
Thank you all for your answer.
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You're welcome.

ammiraglio said:
Now I have to find a way to have my money back from the store.
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Surely, there won't be an issue to get a full refund since they won’t be able to get you the 0777?

ammiraglio said:
style that comes from exotic blade processing is gone.
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True.

ammiraglio said:
0777 without the composite blade it's just the copy of the Microtech Matrix...
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Not true and if your objective was to insult ZT you succeeded!

ammiraglio said:
ZT has lost the respect, at least here in my community.
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ZT lost respect because due to production issues they are unable to continue production and now they are doing their level best to continue the project, albeit with one solid blade, to keep those who want most of the exotic 0777 satisfied?! They could've just cancelled the rest of the run but, to their credit, they're continuing as best as possible! How can you fault them for that?! Your choice to get the 0777M390 or not...

ammiraglio said:
We are not people that give up.
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You should not give up on trying to get a 0777 from the secondary market -- if that's what you meant. The sooner the better since the prices will rise.
 
I'm just sad that it's no longer a composite blade. I felt the 2-tone blade was really part of the design aesthetic. I'd be happier if it was even a non-damascus spine in some darker steel like on the planned 0454.

That said I'll be happy enough to get the M390.
 
ammiraglio said:
Thank you all for your answer. Now I have to find a way to have my money back from the store.

0777 without the composite blade it's just the copy of the Microtech Matrix... style that comes from exotic blade processing is gone.
ZT has lost the respect, at least here in my community. We are not people that give up.
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Really? you gave up on the 0777 due to a change in spec. And you showed absolutely 0 respect. I fail to see the loss here. You also might want to do some fact checking on your matrix theory. Im sure that was just a tasteless dig.
 
Nullity said:
Jimmer, I can imagine that it hurts when you try to be so involved with us, share information, offer informed opinions, correct our misconceptions, and then... things change, and you have an angry mob who is accustomed to being rather spoiled by your free help and information.

I just wanna say thanks to you and all of ZT for being so involved with all of us enthusiasts and for trying new ways of interaction, some of which work and some that don't work so well. I can tell you guys genuinely care and have your own passions for sharp things.
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Extremely well said! Just wanted to sound off my support for Jimmer/Kai, though projects encounter bumps in the road you all keep striving for the absolute best and it shows! Thanks again for all you do.
 
ha ha! I don't represent the Italian Knife Community!! Thank you anyway to think so! In the small community I'm in we have some 0777 in preorder.

You have lost respect not because we are not going to get the blade, but because you GIVE UP. Zero Tolerance is made of people that can't stand the difficulties. This is the message we have received. No one here is in hurry to have 0777, take your time, but don't give up.
 
ammiraglio said:
ha ha! I don't represent the Italian Knife Community!! Thank you anyway to think so! In the small community I'm in we have some 0777 in preorder.

You have lost respect not because we are not going to get the blade, but because you GIVE UP. Zero Tolerance is made of people that can't stand the difficulties. This is the message we have received. No one here is in hurry to have 0777, take your time, but don't give up.
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They're not. They encountered difficulties and adapted to finish the run.
 
poolhustler said:
KAI is not disclosing when or how many. How can you blame them? When they do give out information all people do is whine and complain.

So what we do know for sure is this: the 0777 will be finished out in M390 and it will be out when it will be out.

What we don't know is how many. It could be 800, it could be 1000, it could even be 1500.

Why sit here and speculate??
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"In the absence of a presence the best estimated presence is in an educated absence."

Statements like: "There is currently no information on availability or number of products that will be produced." are so open-ended as to be cursory.

What facilitates customers, end-users, collectors and enthusiasts is a stream of frequent and open-ended updates on schedules and numbers even within the constraints of production batches, issues, raw materials and changing corporate priorities. All that could be dissemminated and capsulated within the caveat emptor "rules"... Frequently.
 
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