Can We Get Axis Locks On Everything Please?

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I like lots of locks. If I'm trying to get a strong lock, I choose the Triad Lock. No questions asked.

I've used liner locks, frame locks, back locks, tail locks, Ultra locks (-Cold Steel's version of the axis lock). The cold steel ultra lock I have is 20 years old, and no blade play at all.
Ive also used twist locks, plunge locks, button locks and many others I'm forgetting.


I have had multiple failures of liner locks and frame locks. Ive been cut during lock failure.

I learned that when using a locking blade in tight spots and awkward angles that it can be easy to slip a cut, or have an item you are cutting give way and hit the spine of the knife.

I used to be a press operator at a factory that made diamond drill bits for oil and natural gas drilling (plus many other cutting applications).

The hydrollic cubic presses I worked on were about 40,000 lbs, and ran internal pressures of over a million PSI. They blew up and took days or weeks to fix.

Tight spaces and very awkward conditions, and a lot of lines to cut!



I still have and cary slipjoints every day.

I still carry and use liner locks (and triad locks, and many other styles too).

I don't get too heated about any of it.

Even though I have triad Lock that will hold like a million pounds, and are very effective!!!
 
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Triad is an acceptable answer.

You're trading easy one handed use for extreme lock up strength. And in theory you can probably close a triad with one hand with some practice.

Fair enough.

Triad definitely worth selling as a maker*. Or buying
 
Do you have hooves?

I've never met a Triad lock that was not an easy, peasy one hand operation lock.

I've had multiples of several triads. I've fondled and operated hundreds more.

The blades drop free, and close easy as pie.



BigWillie said:
It's not superior lol

Worth selling I'll give you

Can't use it one handed easily
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If brute strength is what you are after, the axis lock is not even close.
 
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BigWillie said:
I hear this argument all the time

Thats just bad tolerances from the maker

Not a flaw in the axis lock. Blade play lol

Yea if you've worn away the stainless steel you will get blade play. Just like if you wear away any part of any lock you'll get blade play.

CBB, bolt action, axis lock. All same thing

It's a spring and a much more robust piece of metal used as the the weakest point relative to a tab.

Saying you like CBB but don't like axis is insanity, lol
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Mark me insane.
 
Bigfattyt said:
Do you have hooves?

I've never met a Triad lock that was not an easy, peasy one hand operation lock.

I've had multiples of several triads. I've fondled and operated hundreds more.

The blades drop free, and close easy as pie.
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I mean yea you can safely close about any blade one handed taking your time.

But relative to an axis or compression lock I would say that is a semi difficult one hander to close very quickly.

Not because you can't do it, but because you're askin to see ur bone if you go faster than your muscle memory is ready for or misplace your pointer
 
ScooterG said:
Mark me insane.
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haha i'm pretty sure you're not joking

but your avatar is funny in this context anyway

Just so we're clear. You don't just like the Axis lock less than the CBBL. You like it less than a liner, frame, and compression lock?

Where does it fall for you? Why would you put it at the bottom when you obviously see the pros in the CBBL? They're almost identical mechanisms relative to the other alternatives
 
BigWillie said:
I don't want to think about how my knife might fail if *knock on wood* ever have to use it to cut flesh.
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I've stabbed/cut flesh, as I hunt hogs with a knife. There is little resistance (with the right knife).
If you want a robust knife for which ever task, get a fixed blade.
As for folders, I like all sorts of knives and wouldn't change a thing about the PM2. Currently I'm also a big fan of the Spyderco PITS.
 
BigWillie said:
You ever heard of benchmade? lol
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That's kind of the thing. Benchmade kinda sucks at QC -and- the Axis lock has an inherent design flaw in its reliance on the omega springs.

The CBB lock is superior while being very similar in form and function as the spring is coiled and experiences less structural stress. Since omega springs experience flex and the CBB spring only experiences a small amount of compression, the wear on the structural integrity of the CBB spring is absolutely minimal.

Additionally, the patent on the axis lock expired, and, yet... very very few companies have done anything to capitalize on it - certainly not any of the big movers and shakers. I feel like that's fairly telling. The Axis lock is less reliable for the user and more complicated for the manufacturer (at least to build one that also reliably leaves the blade centered and with perfect lockup). There also just isn't much demand for it, which is another reason you don't see Spyderco, ZT, or Cold Steel making axis locks*

* Excluding the brief period over a decade ago where Cold Steel used an axis lock clone in their Recon 1 model... which had a notorious reputation for lock issues.
 
91bravo said:
Are you saying that the Axis lock is the same as the BB lock? Obviously, you don't know knives....
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I’m not sure who you’re talking to, but, I’m definitely not saying that. They achieve lockup in notably different ways, but both rely on a removable spring moving a thing up into the tang of the knife, and are actuated with similar hand motions. The comparison makes sense, especially when discussing the potential of spring failure - which I was.
 
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