Can We Get Axis Locks On Everything Please?

[Adan]

I do like cinnabons....mmmmmm yum

Also, the closest cinnabon to me is a half hour away. What the heck is up with that?!? That should be illegal. Who wants to help me with a petition to right this wrong, to undue this travesty of Justice?

Seriously, there used to be one in the mall around the corner. And for 50 cents extra you could get that little tub of delicious icing. I'm so sad now...

If not them, some one will do it right

As soon as you see one torn open you realize how terrible the other locks on the market are.

If the Chinese can make a workable one for 15 dollars. There is no hope for liner/frame/compression locks

IMO, This thread's a little ridiculous...can't we just make it a cinnabon thread? Pretty sure it would be more useful to everyone (including OP) that way...

 

[91bravo]

I’m not sure who you’re talking to, but, I’m definitely not saying that. They achieve lockup in notably different ways, but both rely on a removable spring moving a thing up into the tang of the knife, and are actuated with similar hand motions. The comparison makes sense, especially when discussing the potential of spring failure.

Sorry, I should have quoted the willie! That was meant for him.

 

[91bravo]

haha i'm pretty sure you're not joking

but your avatar is funny in this context anyway

Just so we're clear. You don't just like the Axis lock less than the CBBL. You like it less than a liner, frame, and compression lock?

Where does it fall for you? Why would you put it at the bottom when you obviously see the pros in the CBBL? They're almost identical mechanisms relative to the other alternatives

Not even close to identical mechanisms...

 

[Mitchell Knives]

There are a variety of locks that are perfectly suited to virtually any legitimate EDC task.

This is assuming that they are manufactured well within proper tolerances.

It's nice to have a lock that will hold 500 lbs, but it's certainly not necessary.

 

[Bigfattyt]

I mean yea you can safely close about any blade one handed taking your time.

But relative to an axis or compression lock I would say that is a semi difficult one hander to close very quickly.

Not because you can't do it, but because you're askin to see ur bone if you go faster than your muscle memory is ready for or misplace your pointer

In the amount of time it took to read this, I opened and closed my Triad lock 37 times... without looking.....

They literally drop free when you depress the lock.

You don't even have to move your finger out of the way. The unsharpened wide ricasso is the only part that bounces off your index finger then you shift your grip and push the blade closed with your pointer finger. Same as with any other back lock from Spyderco.


Now, I can flip an axis lock closed a fraction of a second quicker???? Yes.. I guess if I were a ninja, and somehow my life depended on closing my folder quicker....then I might need the axis lock above all others....

 

[Icky Thump]

 

[Daedric Panther]

Ok so

1. I like the ease of use with the axis lock, but that’s about it. I don’t really prefer it over any of the other types of locks. I’m quite happy with the PM2 the way that it is now.

2. If you’re that worried about the knife closing in your fingers, go buy yourself a KABAR. I guarantee it won’t close on you

3. After reading through this thread, I really want a Cinnabon

 

[craytab]

Returning troll for sure.

 

[JJ_Colt45]

ok lets end this ... wait for it ...




SMATCHET !!!!!


mic drop ...

 

[91bravo]

ok lets end this ... wait for it ...




SMATCHET !!!!!


mic drop ...

A smatchet smatcheting a Cinnabon for the win!

 

[Icky Thump]

 

[Wowbagger]

Can We Get Axis Locks On Everything Please?

That'll work for me !

Especially if the pivot works like my 940-1
If it works like my Mini Grip . . . well.
That's the first knife I have ever felt the need to TOTALLY disassemble; which I did Sunday. I've hardly used it.
Pivots like old people run.
I did discover that one screw near the rear if fully tightened made the pivot worse.
What's that about; on the opposite end of the knife.
I cleaned the treads and purple loctited that screw in a slightly relaxed mode.
With a good whack of play in the pivot I juuuuuuuust about got it working tolerably.
Carried it today. Once when I closed it today it said swing-huuuuuuuh-OK-I'll-shut.
The liners are flat / not bent . . . the bronze washer's are in good shape . . .
Goofy dambed thing. I love the knife ! ! ! ! !
Can't stand the action.

 

[James Y]

I want a PM2 with an axis lock

I'm sure many of you have knives you would prefer in axis.

It's time to start asking manufacturers why they're giving us sub par locks when we could have much better engineered ones on many models.

Why would I want a compression, liner, or frame lock over an axis lock? Just look at the lock ups, they're not strong. All the testing I've ever seen backs that up too. Not that again it isn't obvious to every maker and me before any testing.

Here is a test from blade HQ on Spyderco knives at an attempt for consistency -

The CBBL is nice but you're not fitting that thing into most knife profiles. An axis like lock is much more adaptable to various profiles. Same with the bolt action, not gonna fit in nearly as many knives because it requires more specific positioning in the handle. .

Long story short. The lock up on your knife probably sucks if it has no springs involved. And you should be wondering why your favorite knife isn't offered with an axis lock or something based on similar principles.

Pride? Marketing? It's definitely not about giving the consumer the best product. It's not 1990. I want a proper lock up

I'm staring straight at the PM2. What knife would you like to see in an axis lock? And if for whatever reason you don't want a superior lock to the one you have? Share that too

Let the makers know what we want. And for me anyway. It's not outdated locks with no lock up strength

I've never had any problems with back locks, compression locks, etc.

Axis locks are OK, but I don't like the little omega springs, which can potentially break. I've never had one break, but there are people who have. They're also worse if you get crud in the mechanism. I haven't bought a knife with an axis lock for about 15 years. Not everybody likes axis locks. If you only want axis locks, concentrate on Benchmade knives.

Jim

 

[Wowbagger]

I'm staring straight at the PM2. What knife would you like to see in an axis lock? And if for whatever reason you don't want a superior lock to the one you have? Share that too

Well generally I love the compression lock and do not feel it is inferior.
Sure some fool can beat up any tool and then say the tool failed because it isn't a good tool.
But
Some time ago I posted a thread about this very thing (axis verses compression lock and found the compression wanting and the axis to full fill the need).
Check it out here LINK > > >.

As far as hesitant inferior pivots I have the same problem with one or two of my PM2s.
One of my PM2s is on par with my 940-1 . . . that is to say they are both perfection and I could not want or imagine better action.

 

[DocJD]

if you wear away any part of any lock you'll get blade play

The Tri-ad lock is designed to automatically wear in such that the lockup stays solid .

 

[miso2]

I like Axis lock, at least the one on my only Benchmade (Valet), of which action is very smooth without any blade play.
But I don't want to have it on every knife.
I like frame lock, back lock (with a stop pin), compression lock, and no lock, as well.

 

[tiguy7]

I like the William Henry Button Lock as well as the Axis Lock, but that is because I am right handed. The Axis lock is ambidextrous. I have never broken an Omega spring on a Benchmade knife. The new design (Anthem) gets rid of the Omega springs, but the knife is a little heavy owing to the necessity of an integral frame for mounting the coil spring. The W/H B-15 weighs 57gm. The B/M 943 weighs 90 gm. The B/M Anthem weighs 104gm.

 

[DocJD]

Hey ! I really like the Tri-ad lock , but I don't need it on every folder . That would be very boring indeed . Plus , wouldn't make a good flipper at all .

 

[jstn]

It's more about what I'm willing to do with it and general principle

I don't want to think about how my knife might fail if *knock on wood* ever have to use it to cut flesh. Or any other hard use task that I may at the spur of the moment need.

If there was some huge cost to the extra strength of the axis or other spring based locks. I could imagine saying "nah i'll pass"

But there is no cost it's almost all benefit in my eyes. Beyond the RnD/trial and error by the makers that would be required to get a perfect spring based lock for this or that profile.

I've had so many omega springs break that I sold all my Axis lock knives. I don't call that reliable at all. Imagine having to "cut flesh," whipping out your sweet Axis lock knife, and it won't lock properly. If you want a super strong, reliable knife, get a Triad lock.

 

[Alberta Ed]

I like 'em all: Axis, Compression, Tri-Ad, lockbacks, framelocks, Walker and whatever else I forgot to mention.