Can We Get Axis Locks On Everything Please?

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I really like the axis lock, and I definitely would like to see more knives offered with it. On the other hand, I really like flippers, and the (manual) axis flipper was ok after I tuned it just right. I'd say there is no perfect lock, there are positives and negatives to all locks. I think I'd get a little bored if everything was made with an axis lock.

Welcome to Bladeforums, embrace the different points of view. It probably isn't a good idea to tell everyone they're wrong for not agreeing with your opinions.
 
BladeScout said:
I've stabbed/cut flesh, as I hunt hogs with a knife. There is little resistance (with the right knife).
If you want a robust knife for which ever task, get a fixed blade.
As for folders, I like all sorts of knives and wouldn't change a thing about the PM2. Currently I'm also a big fan of the Spyderco PITS.
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It also needs to be socially acceptable where you're at. And a fixed blade or push dagger as the only knife I carry would not be acceptable in many social settings I'm in. The same reason I'm sure many of you don't carry a fixed blade.

Maybe it's not possible to fit something like an axis lock in a PM2 handle without losing structural integrity. But assuming it's not I would much prefer the axis or CBBL.

Yes as long as it doesn't fail everything will be fine. But why would I want that when i could have some sort of spring mechanism that's in theory much stronger. 100 pounds of dynamic force is a lot but when the adrenaline pumping and your body weighs 200 pounds.....I think we're well within range of if not me many of you could exert. Assuming you could double the lock up strength with no major cons, that seems like a good idea

I suppose if you're some 6'8" 300 pounder the PM2 is a bit small for you anyway. So maybe my body type is more aligned with what should be expected from the knife.
 
The Mastiff said:
If you wanted everyone to agree with your Axis lock ideas you shouldn't have come here. We are knife people.


"A traitor is anyone who disagrees with me"
King George III
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What I should have done was come up with some social engineering plan to make it seem as tho there was massive demand for the PM2 in an axis lock that no one wants to admit exists. That would have been the smart play

What i'm settling for is I'm gonna bring it up every once in a while and hope for some sorta butterfly effect that ends in a PM2 with an axis lock in S30V and black g10 in the catalogue
 
Daedric Panther said:
Ok so

1. I like the ease of use with the axis lock, but that’s about it. I don’t really prefer it over any of the other types of locks. I’m quite happy with the PM2 the way that it is now.

2. If you’re that worried about the knife closing in your fingers, go buy yourself a KABAR. I guarantee it won’t close on you

3. After reading through this thread, I really want a Cinnabon :D
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I mean ease of use plus lock strength....

I don't want to give up ease of use.
 
F2EF0FF1-92EE-4CAE-9072-9B3CC9B4A162.jpeg Arguably the strongest possible lock on a folder, no springs in sight. Knife locks in place with two thick steel pins going through both sides of the frame :cool:


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91bravo said:
Not even close to identical mechanisms...
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Yea we get it, you don't think they're the same

Where would you put an axis next to a compression, liner, or frame lock/

Same thing i posed to the dude with the braveheart avatar. You like the CBBL better. That makes sense. I like a stiffer spring myself.

But if you're saying a compression lock is better.....No. Which is why they are the "same". Yes the CBBL is better but it's not going to fit into every form factor as we've gone over....Also the concept of relativity in this context
 
James Y said:
I've never had any problems with back locks, compression locks, etc.

Axis locks are OK, but I don't like the little omega springs, which can potentially break. I've never had one break, but there are people who have. They're also worse if you get crud in the mechanism. I haven't bought a knife with an axis lock for about 15 years. Not everybody likes axis locks. If you only want axis locks, concentrate on Benchmade knives.

Jim
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Yes no doubt Benchmades implementation is a very high end fidgety set up. But you could use much more durable springs at the cost of out of the box stiffness.

I think cheaper springs and sending out replacements/making them available would obviously need to become industry standard on anything non budget. You can do these sorta locks a lot of ways. Just need something to jam that big piece of metal above the pivot

The design is generic now. Time for makers to get with the times and at least offer these locks if it makes sense on this or that profile.

Lock preferences change. New innovations come. Spyderco is already embracing it they have the CBBL and the bar lock. I'm sure their engineers thought the same thing I did on first inspection of an axis lock.
 
The Axis lock is my favorite. I use it everyday. But there are lots of well-designed and well-implemented locks that I like. Flippers are truly fun.

At some point, increasing lock strength doesn't add much to an EDC knife, especially when you have to give up ease of opening and closing. The only Tri-Ad lock that I have found acceptable is on the new Cold Steel AD 10. But it is still not an easy-to-use lock.

Did anyone else notice that in the lock-test video posted by the OP, the cable loop on the frame lock slipped to place on the handle well above the blue tape, where it would take much less force to break the knife due to better leverage? The frame lock should have scored higher.
 
jstn said:
I've had so many omega springs break that I sold all my Axis lock knives. I don't call that reliable at all. Imagine having to "cut flesh," whipping out your sweet Axis lock knife, and it won't lock properly. If you want a super strong, reliable knife, get a Triad lock.
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Spyderco's implementation may be much more reliable than benchmades

I'm not an expert but I'm sure you could take on more stiffness to gain durability.
 
Hysteria in this thread aside, I'd honestly love to see a lot of the knives I own made with Axis locks (or at least something better than a liner or frame lock). The axis lock is probably my favorite lock design.

The thought of a Socom Elite or a Hinderer with
an axis lock makes me excited.
 
MolokaiRider said:
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Yea spyderco has just released two locks* with the same basic principles because it's not obviously superior...

You don't have to be that clever to see where knife locks are going

If you can't defend your argument, you don't have one.

Anyone not saying triad lock in this thread doesn't have one. And IMO the Triad lock is not easy to use relative to the axis or CBBL.

Hearing a whole lotta crickets other than that
 
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"What I should have done was come up with some social engineering plan to make it seem as tho there was massive demand for the PM2 in an axis lock that no one wants to admit exists. That would have been the smart play"

Spyderco has had daily contact with their customers since there have been internet forums. They know them and what sells and what is asked for in the forums. The bottom line is the Axis lock isn't as desired as you think. There is no one lock design that is superior over all the rest in every bodies eyes just like no steel is agreed on by all. We are all way too different in our needs and likes. That being said there is nothing wrong with the Axis being the best for you. It really helps a lot to not try telling others what suits them or is the best. They just bristle at the thought of someone else attempting to. I have 50 years of knife use and have examples of every lock on the market. Seriously, don't tell me what is the best. :)
 
The Mastiff said:
"What I should have done was come up with some social engineering plan to make it seem as tho there was massive demand for the PM2 in an axis lock that no one wants to admit exists. That would have been the smart play"

Spyderco has had daily contact with their customers since there have been internet forums. They know them and what sells and what is asked for in the forums. The bottom line is the Axis lock isn't as desired as you think. There is no one lock design that is superior over all the rest in every bodies eyes just like no steel is agreed on by all. We are all way too different in our needs and likes. That being said there is nothing wrong with the Axis being the best for you. It helps a lot to not trytelling others what suits them or is best. They just bristle at the thought of someone else attempting to. I have 50 years of knife use and have examples of every lock on the market. Seriously, don't tell me what is the best. :)
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You put spyderco to it

Give em a bit sturdier springs

People will love it

The problem is PM2 users already have a pretty ergonomically good lock so it's less appealing. But they would come around

edit - who am i kidding you'd all pre order that stuff so fast. Hahahah. I probably would have to wait til a second run
 
Some would, many wouldn't. I have no use for it and mine sit in boxes. I prefer a back lock and IMO it's the best. :)
 
The spider hole and having a long point has really grown on me

It's not much of a pry bar but it's much more useful in very delicate tasks many other blades couldn't help me with.
 
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