Canola oil advantages

I don’t think that people who use canola, water, brine etc., are necessarily any less scientific or any less concerned about the performance of their knives, than the people using commercial fluids. In some cases they may be even more scientific out of necessity.

However, more "science" doesn't necessarily make a better knife.
 
A better knifemaker, makes a better knife. :)

There's no substitute for that.

If you have nothing but your quenching fluids and your "science" to fall back on,... that's your problem.
 
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Tai Goo said:
A better knifemaker, makes a better knife. :)

There's no substitute for that.
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Oh, absolutely Tai -- and you're a phenomenal maker. But given the same knifemaker, science tells you you're going to get more martensite conversion with a commercial quench oil.
 
Getting back to the original question, I'd say you guys did a pretty poor job of listing the advantages of canola. It appears you didn't even read the bottle, where it lists why many people prefer canola:

* Cholesterol free
* 0 grams trans fat

Seriously, does anyone want an obese knife or one with clogged arteries?

Another advantage, once you're done with it you can use it to make biodiesel and power your pickup truck down to the store to buy some more.

Finally, it's something you can keep in the shop that your wife won't bitch about being "chemicals".
 
If you are trying to make up for what you lack as a knifemaker by continually professing your assumed superior science and use of engineered quenching fluids,... you have my deepest sympathies... But don't project your shortcomings as a knifemaker on to those who don't share them.
 
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The "Quants" (noun) are hard at work but the jury is still out.

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
~ Albert Einstein​
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Aside from being an interesting discussion on metallurgy,… this has also been an interesting study in sociology and psychology as they relate to knifemaking. And yes, the latter two are also sciences. :)
 
im jsut glad we can all get higher post counts and make a newbie read 10+ pages that in reality almost half the post never had a thing to do with the OT and were jsut back patting each other (one more post to my post count for me wooo hoo

i am now to be looked on buy a new maker as a guy in the know cause i have so many helpful posts under my belt :)
 
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What percentage the information on internet forums in general is any better,… or any good at all?

I'd say maybe 5%.

The majority may rule,... but it's seldom right.

Very interesting, but not very conclusive.
 
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Tai Goo said:
A better knifemaker, makes a better knife. :)

There's no substitute for that.

If you have nothing but your quenching fluids and your "science" to fall back on,... that's your problem.
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who said anyone had a problem? Tai, you're starting to tread in dangerous territory for someone who says they're not meaning to offend anyone.
 
Another great thread. :barf:

So we have two sides in this debate. In my opinion they are science vs intuition/experience. (Actually both sides have experience and intuition.)

The only problem, that makes it science vs science, when you have an idea and try it out that is called a hypothesis and testing it is science.

In my opinion if you have formed a theory without doing a ton of testing you are not doing the best job as a scientist.


If there was a canola quench oil that out performed the others it would be in common use in industries that tested and needed the best.


I remember kids in school telling the smarter kids they were "book smart" because they understood the concepts taught to us. This is what this thread reminds me of.
 
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AVigil said:
Forgive me if this has been posted before but I think it relevant to the discussion. A bit of info on canola as quench oil.

http://books.google.com/books?id=io...&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
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That confirms what the other sources say.

It’s funny that some of the folks who pretend to hold science in the highest regard, are just as guilty of all the things that they accuse others of,… if not more so.

It's "Science vs science", was a good way to put it Dan. I don't think you need to add anything to that statement. :)
 
I am glad somebody read it :) People ask for the science behind using Canola Oil as a quenchant and can read for themselves what was presented at the 22nd Heat Treating Society Conference 2003.

Thanks for all the good info guys.
 
Tai Goo said:
If you are trying to make up for what you lack as a knifemaker by continually professing your assumed superior science and use of engineered quenching fluids,... you have my deepest sympathies... But don't project your shortcomings as a knifemaker on to those who don't share them.
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Tai,
This is what we are trying to avoid. Warning issued. Knock it off.

Boys, Boys....lets all get back to the reason this thread was put up. Canola oil and its properties.
If there isn't any more to be said about either side, Tai may want to close the thread .
I you already posted your view, it is time to move on.
If it gets into an argument with name calling, I will close it.
 
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Please don't anyone take it personally, if you don't feel it's about you.

If it struck a nerve,... just ponder it a little.
 
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