CAS - RyanW Collaboration Knife (WIP)

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  1. RyanW

    RyanW Moderator Moderator

    Jul 17, 2009
    I have had some “Bad Vibes” in the past from posting WIP’s here in the Custom Knife Forum, but I feel the need to share this one.

    I have been communicating with a good friend Claudio Sobral (CAS Knives) via Email for some time now. Every time he posts his work I am in awe. I asked to be put on his list for a medium sized fighter in his unmistakable Stainless SanMai. To my surprise he said. “Lets do a CAS – RyanW collaboration. You draw up a design, I will make the SanMai Blade and you do the handle.”

    After I picked my jaw up off the floor my head started spinning, this posed a few dilemmas for me:
    1. I love Claudio’s designs, this will me my design
    2. Part of my attraction to Claudio’s knives is his handle work
    3. I am going to screw up a beautiful Stainless SanMai Blade

    As some of you know, I avoid guards and hidden tangs like the plague. Not because I don’t like them (They are actually my favorite knives as a collector). I started putting pencil to paper, trying to make a guard less fighter that would do Claudio’s steel justice. This is what I came up with:

    The design just wasn’t working, and definitely did not have that CAS feel. I was afraid it needed a guard. I am lucky enough to have a few trusted sources to bounce ideas and designs off for quality constructive feedback. I will post their suggestions but not their names to protect the innocent. They can chime in if they so choose.

    Critique #1:
    “Great design, I really like it! :)

    I scribbled some ideas... I think I changed everything just a little. Not because I didn't like what you had, rather because when you change one thing it usually forces you to change something else a little to go with it.

    I think the heart of your design is totally still there, just with some subtle changes to allow for a guard. And don't let guards hold you back, I know you can do them!”

    Critique #2:
    “if you wanna get taken seriously, you had better man up and get your guard
    on. I think this would be the perfect knife to start on.

    Great design too!”

    So here is the revised design That I sent to Claudio… Time to get my “Guard On”

    I will update as I hear from Claudio or have updates…
  2. JCoutts


    Nov 17, 2012
    Sweet designs, I like both the original and the updated.

  3. peterinct


    Dec 13, 1999
    While sketch #1 is a nice looking design, I think #2 will look FAR better in one of Claudio's laminated blades.

    Will be anxious to see how this progresses.

  4. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
  5. Erin Burke

    Erin Burke KnifeMaker...ish

    May 19, 2003
    I like guards... and I think that the second design looks like it would be cool...
    ... but the first design LOOKS like a RyanW knife. AND I think #1 would look great with Claudio's steel.
    Either way, I'm stoked to see how the collaboration turns out.
  6. NickWheeler


    Dec 3, 1999
    I'm very excited to see this play out... But that second design is teh ghey. :eek: :D LMAO
  7. Steve Randall

    Steve Randall

    Dec 3, 2009
    Looking forward to this WIP. I like the second better out of the two, but I am a big fan of hidden tangs and guards.

  8. SharpByCoop

    SharpByCoop Enjoying the discussions Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 8, 2001
    I'd take the first version with a clip added. Loving that bolster.

    For me, that guard is overpowering the sleekness. Halve the dimensions and I might like it more. Or lose the upper tang.

    Good for YOU!

  9. J. Doyle

    J. Doyle Bladesmith/Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 17, 2008
    Cool project Ryan. I'd take design number two but I'd get rid of the top quillion on that guard. That's just my preference.
  10. GTH11


    Feb 21, 2011
    Very nice Ryan you lucky dawg!!:eek:
    That second design is KILLER!! What material/finish you thinking about for the guard?
    Im just now starting to solder the guards im doing, and it adds a few crucial steps but man it sets em apart!!
  11. Shawn Hatcher

    Shawn Hatcher

    Nov 25, 2003
    A RyanW/CAS collab?!? What a wonderful idea. Both designs have their own merits. I'm really looking forward to seeing this one progress.
  12. Bigfattyt


    Jun 23, 2007
    Big fan of both of you.

    I look forward to the progress. I agree with others, on that size, no top guard, or a nub on top.
  13. RyanW

    RyanW Moderator Moderator

    Jul 17, 2009
    Thanks everyone for the great Comments, I think the second design is only Ghey to those that know Ghey ;)...

    I have time to play with the guard i thought about removing the top quillion, I will cross that bridge when I get the blade in hand.

    Coop You may be able to see that top design with a Clip (Slight mod on the finger wells). ;) As Erin said design #1 is more my style and I could not resist making one.

    I got some Updates from Claudio:

    Here he has the materials Cleaned up and ready to weld. 2 stainless (Outside) and 1 High Carbon (Core)

    Materials in the vice ready for the Weld.

    Here the materials are welded, The Bead is run the length of the billet to make a perfect seal. This prevents oxygen from entering between the materials, Oxygen/Air will prevent the materials from forge welding.

    Into the forge brought up to temp

    Claudio lets the materials soak at welding temp.

    after the soak it goes to the press working the materials together carefully.

    He repeats the Forge soak and press multiple times.

    Thanks Claudio!
    ... Ryan
  14. adamallen


    Dec 3, 2012
  15. fast14riot


    Oct 27, 2010
    Dang Ryan, that's a sweet design! Both really are lookers, but I agree, the top one is all your flavor! Can't wait to see more!

  16. billf

    billf Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 9, 2003
    I like them both for different reasons......but I really like the one you showed in post 13 :thumbup::thumbup:

    It would probably look great with a hamon too :p

    Looking forward to this WIP going forward for sure

  17. Mack

    Mack Expert Ultracrepidarian Platinum Member

    Aug 19, 2007
    This is going to be good.
  18. RyanW

    RyanW Moderator Moderator

    Jul 17, 2009
    Thanks Adam and Xander!

    Billf, You are correct It will look great for a hamon I hope the customer likes it ;)

    Thanks Mack, glad you are watching.
  19. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump

    Dec 2, 1999
    I like the 2nd one but wouldn't complain about either one.
    This is gonna be good!
  20. jwalk84


    Jun 30, 2011
    Watching this one! Looking forward to see it develop. Thanks for posting the WIP.
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