Cautious to put my slippie to work

I have a few moderns and quite a few fixed blades, but my collection is by far mostly traditionals. I used to reach for my D2 steel one hand opening modern when I had a "hard use" task. It's been replaced by a SAK Rancher. Seriously. I've done everything with that knife: sheetrock, electrical, worked on my car, etc. I'd have to go digging through pictures to find the last time I carried a modern, one hand opening knife.

Leave the moderns at home for a week and see what you think of traditionals. I think you'll learn quickly that you have been carrying 500% too much knife for daily life. A Case Peanut or small Stockman or Opinel No. 6 will do 99% of everything you need a knife to do.
 
I have a few moderns and quite a few fixed blades, but my collection is by far mostly traditionals. I used to reach for my D2 steel one hand opening modern when I had a "hard use" task. It's been replaced by a SAK Rancher. Seriously. I've done everything with that knife: sheetrock, electrical, worked on my car, etc. I'd have to go digging through pictures to find the last time I carried a modern, one hand opening knife.

Leave the moderns at home for a week and see what you think of traditionals. I think you'll learn quickly that you have been carrying 500% too much knife for daily life. A Case Peanut or small Stockman or Opinel No. 6 will do 99% of everything you need a knife to do.
You're probably right, but I need to get over the "time it takes to pull it out of your pocket and open it with two hands" thing. I understand its only a couple extra seconds, but its burned into my head subliminally.
 
If I carry a modern folder clipped to my right front pocket, it is likely to be the only knife I carry because it is uncomfortable to get past it to reach a smaller knife in the bottom of my pocket. At the very least, it will discourage me from reaching for a traditional.

If I stick with traditionals, it is easy to carry two knives in one pocket, three if they are smaller. The knives I carry most are an Opinel no.6, an alox Electrician, an Okapi Biltong, a peanut, a Rough Rider Improved Muskrat and a medium stockman. I will mix them to be sure I have at least one straight-edged blade. I also carry a 4 1/2" channel-lock, which I find very useful. I may have to grope around a bit to select the tool I want; having a knife clipped to my pocket inhibits that process.

On some days, my work will call for a one-hander, in which case a traditional will only come out to cut a cigar.

Of course, I don't really need to carry several knives. I only do it for my amusement, and because I can.
 
You're probably right, but I need to get over the "time it takes to pull it out of your pocket and open it with two hands" thing. I understand its only a couple extra seconds, but its burned into my head subliminally.
I find that useful actually. That extra couple of seconds ensures that I choose to use a knife for knife tasks, rather than for everything. Far more sensible. The adage that 'if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail' is as true with pocket knives. Especially in an age where there is far less requirement for a knife in daily urban life so we feel the need to 'justify' our carry. A couple of extra seconds to deploy the knife puts the requirement for using it into perspective.
 
Maybe the doubt is just in my head.
Maybe I should carry a slipjoint only for a while and see for myself.
Maybe I'll like it more.
:)

You're probably right, but I need to get over the "time it takes to pull it out of your pocket and open it with two hands" thing. I understand its only a couple extra seconds, but its burned into my head subliminally.

I hope your Texas Jack can eventually prove itself a worthy companion but I wouldn't worry too much about it if it doesn't. You are apparently more of a modern knife type of person and there certainly isn't anything wrong with that.

On the other hand, you obviously like that Texas Jack. If things don't work out, don't feel bad about carrying it as a secondary and rarely using it. There's nothing wrong with having a knife in your pocket just because you like it.
 
I agree with much of what has been said already... I used to be a modern-only kind of guy, but I have really come around to my traditional carry. I like the thinly ground blades, the natural materials, and the patina that 1095 takes. My GECs are generally less intimidating than my modern folders, which means I'm more willing to use them in certain scenarios, resulting in them getting used more than other EDC options (for me). I was a bit shy at first to use them "hard," but I've gotten over that and they certainly perform! I still appreciate my modern folders, so my EDC usually incorporates a modern/traditional combo. Best of both worlds.
 
The only thing modern folders have going for them is the one handed opening. I prefer traditionals and SAK's for the thin blades that just seem to cut better. I really like the SAK because you can totally waste the edge but it'll still cut because of how thin the blade is.
Personally I believe everyone's first knife should be a slippie. You'll learn to use the knife properly. When you use a knife properly, you'll find there just isn't any need for a locking blade.
 
. ::: I really like slipjoints. The look and overall feel is great to me. ::: Obviously, traditionals can handle work. They've been around for a very long time and, well, obviously they've been......worked. Bladeboss

Knives are like shoes: they come in different sizes, shapes, colors, and made for different jobs. Carry whatever you want that doesn't cause unwanted problems. Many of my cutting needs are handled by the pen blade of a GEC#6 Pemberton. Another GEC, a #15 or a #77, almost always rest beside it in the watch pocket - they also get to cut things or open bottles. A Buck 112FG will be on my belt and is used often.

A modern folding lock blade will be clipped to a pocket, and is rarely used. It's a nice knife and I like it.

A Leatherman Micra is useful and in another pocket. It was a gift from Mom, and the tweezers, scissors, and tiny screwdriver are my friends.

Sometimes my Dad's Case mini Trapper replaces the Pemberton.

And so on. Your choice. Life is short, enjoy the simple things like good slip joints & your favorite cold beverage from a glass bottle.



Oh yeah. Our stupid laws also say fixed blades can only be carried at the waist, completely exposed. I guess cars should only have square tires, because drunk drivers use round tires....

Traditional slippies are fun, useful, and legal almost everywhere.
 
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The only thing modern folders have going for them is the one handed opening. I prefer traditionals and SAK's for the thin blades that just seem to cut better. I really like the SAK because you can totally waste the edge but it'll still cut because of how thin the blade is.
Personally I believe everyone's first knife should be a slippie. You'll learn to use the knife properly. When you use a knife properly, you'll find there just isn't any need for a locking blade.

I quoted this post because there wasn't a "Like with extreme enthusiasm" button, or a double like button. Says it all very well.

I'm an old fart. I'm getting to be a very old fart. That means I've been around to see a lot of things come and go. I grew up in a time where mostly ALL men had a knife on them if they were dressed and had had pants on. It also was a time of more hands on work with a much larger agricultural society than now. Now the majority of people are employed in office type of environments, big box stores, and a more controlled environment. Office cubicle workers are very often under company rules as to what can be carried in the work place. Even stock clerks in big box stores get issued a safety cutter type of utility knife that does the job just fine.

What does all this rambling mean? It means that as our society changed, the cutlery industry was fading because more and more people didn't really need a knife in their daily walking mourned life. So, the cutlery industry invented a whole new demand. They brought about an artificially created need for a "new" style of knife and with hype and advertising fed the demand. The birth of the tactical knife. The one hand opening was hyped as the best thing since sliced bread and the match. I watched it all with amazement. With the right advertising you can sell anything. Cars with tail fins that look like would be rocket ships, clothing styles that leave a great deal to be desired of comfort and practicality. Knives that have little other purpose than stabbing or opening with one hand in a Hollywood manner. Never mind that the majority of them will have thick wedgie blade profiles that stop cutting well when the edge gets a little worn. Or that none of them have a choice of smaller blades for fine work or back up if one goes dull.

Being an old fart, I've had a varied life. I've been a outdoorsman, soldier, construction site worker, machinist, soccer dad and harry home owner doing repairs and maintenance around the house. Now I'm just one more retired old fart fishing along the bank of the san Gabriel river. But being retired I'm doing more fishing than ever before. Saying all that, I can't recall a single time in my entire life when I was imperiled by having to open my pocket knife with two hands. Convenient? Yes it can be. But at what cost?

Having grown up with multi-bladed pocket knives like jacks and stockmen, (we won't even go into how handy a SAK is) I tried the famed Buck knife when they first came out. Had it for a few months before I gave it away. Having a knife that weighed in as much as a small boat anchor with only one single bade seemed not only limiting, but ridiculous as well. The big clip point blade of the 110 seemed just too big for most of what I did. Opening my mail with one was an exercise in over kill, as was cutting some cotton or jute twine, trimming some fishing line, opening a box or many other things. But what really bugged me about the then new modern knife was, the total lack of picking the blade for the job. There was jus that big semi hollow ground blade that every other job was shaped wrong or awkward. It lacked versatility.

The stockman, jack, pen, all had choices of blades to choose from. And they had been used for a very very long time by working men who needed a real world cutting tool. Of the knives shipped west between 1850 and 1870, the Russell Barlow was the single most popular pattern. The John Russell company couldn't make them fast enough. They were sold at general stores in town, trading posts, and suttler stores on army posts.

Go ahead and use the ever lovin' dog poo out of your slip joint. It's made to work for a living. It was used for well over a century by men who were not knife nuts or collectors, but miners, cowboys, freight wagon drivers, and sailors who just needed to cut something in the course of their day. Drop a slip joint in your pocket and go out and live your life, and you may get a surprise. Those "other" knives are not really needed at all.
 
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Are there certain designs and patterns designed for harder stuff? Define: "harder"


The answer is yes. Different patterns were developed for different uses some examples are a trapper with a spey blade was developed for skinning with out puncturing an animals hide, a hawkbill for pruning, a sodbuster for farm work and so on. Traditionals have the ability to be used for "hard use" but stabbing can cause a blade to fold on your finger but many patterns include an awl so problem solved. Traditional knives can handle any cutting task it was designed for and though I do like and own some modern folders I find they are the knives that are limited in their use.
 
I can heartily recommend watching a few videos from Vinnie's Day Off on YouTube. Here are links to a series of three in which he does an incredible range of tasks with a simple slipjoint, just to prove that this type of knife is up to just about any task you want to give it. As near as I can tell, Vinnie is a competent outdoorsman and a lover of slipjoints.

 
I quoted this post because there wasn't a "Like with extreme enthusiasm" button, or a double like button. Says it all very well.

I'm an old fart. I'm getting to be a very old fart. That means I've been around to see a lot of things come and go. I grew up in a time where mostly ALL men had a knife on them if they were dressed and had had pants on. It also was a time of more hands on work with a much larger agricultural society than now. Now the majority of people are employed in office type of environments, big box stores, and a more controlled environment. Office cubicle workers are very often under company rules as to what can be carried in the work place. Even stock clerks in big box stores get issued a safety cutter type of utility knife that does the job just fine.

What does all this rambling mean? It means that as our society changed, the cutlery industry was fading because more and more people didn't really need a knife in their daily walking mourned life. So, the cutlery industry invented a whole new demand. They brought about an artificially created need for a "new" style of knife and with hype and advertising fed the demand. The birth of the tactical knife. The one hand opening was hyped as the best thing since sliced bread and the match. I watched it all with amazement. With the right advertising you can sell anything. Cars with tail fins that look like would be rocket ships, clothing styles that leave a great deal to be desired of comfort and practicality. Knives that have little other purpose than stabbing or opening with one hand in a Hollywood manner. Never mind that the majority of them will have thick wedgie blade profiles that stop cutting well when the edge gets a little worn. Or that none of them have a choice of smaller blades for fine work or back up if one goes dull.

Being an old fart, I've had a varied life. I've been a outdoorsman, soldier, construction site worker, machinist, soccer dad and harry home owner doing repairs and maintenance around the house. Now I'm just one more retired old fart fishing along the bank of the san Gabriel river. But being retired I'm doing more fishing than ever before. Saying all that, I can't recall a single time in my entire life when I was imperiled by having to open my pocket knife with two hands. Convenient? Yes it can be. But at what cost?

Having grown up with multi-bladed pocket knives like jacks and stockmen, (we won't even go into how handy a SAK is) I tried the famed Buck knife when they first came out. Had it for a few months before I gave it away. Having a knife that weighed in as much as a small boat anchor with only one single bade seemed not only limiting, but ridiculous as well. The big clip point blade of the 110 seemed just too big for most of what I did. Opening my mail with one was an exercise in over kill, as was cutting some cotton or jute twine, trimming some fishing line, opening a box or many other things. But what really bugged me about the then new modern knife was, the total lack of picking the blade for the job. There was jus that big semi hollow ground blade that every other job was shaped wrong or awkward. It lacked versatility.

The stockman, jack, pen, all had choices of blades to choose from. And they had been used for a very very long time by working men who needed a real world cutting tool. Of the knives shipped west between 1850 and 1870, the Russell Barlow was the single most popular pattern. The John Russell company couldn't make them fast enough. They were sold at general stores in town, trading posts, and suttler stores on army posts.

Go ahead and use the ever lovin' dog poo out of your slip joint. It's made to work for a living. It was used for well over a century by men who were not knife nuts or collectors, but miners, cowboys, freight waging drivers, and sailors who just needed to cut something in the course of their day. Drop a slip joint in your pocket and go out and live your life, and you may get a surprise. Those "other" knives are not really needed at all.
I could not agree more, but I live in Los Angeles. We can't carry guns and yet we are surrounded by parolees and other assorted ne'er do wells. I still have to carry my tactical folder for defense. I use my Case Peanut for actual chores.
 
Howdy!

By no means at all should this be taken as a "bashing" thread. At all.
I really like slipjoints. The look and overall feel is great to me.

BUT... I've never really put any miles on one.

Ive spent 98% of my life carrying a "modern" folder.

Obviously, traditionals can handle work. They've been around for a very long time and, well, obviously they've been......worked.

I'm sure theyre designed with more than just cutting food and tape in mind.

Are there certain designs and patterns designed for harder stuff? Define: "harder"

For what its worth, the only traditional I ever carry is a Case Texas Jack.

Any help or input is appreciated

Bladeboss

I don't know what your work or daily life is like, and even so I guarantee a knife from GEC, Queen, Case, or even Rough Rider will handle your daily tasks with ease. Just buy a knife you like, use it, and don't look back. That's what I did.
 
After reading the OPs post, I understand his concern. I had job to get done and I need to cut some wood way to fit some door hard ware on a utility closet. Instead of using the Schatt and Morgan in my pocket I ran out to my car to grab a Benchmade knife that I knew could do the job.
After reading through this thread I should not baby my traditionals so much and to be honest when I think back my S&M could have done it with ease.

I guess I was conditioned that modern knives are over built and somehow traditional folders are strictly light duty gentlemens folders.

Live and learn I suppose.
 
Bladeboss-Case makes at least three oho's: Trapperlock(not Copperlock, though I prefer them), Mid-folding Hunters, and Russlocks. The first and last should be available in carbon and stainless steel. I gifted R Redden my Russlock, just didn't fit my hand right, and Randy was looking for one. There are also Slim-locks, they used to be BG-42, iirc. Nothing wrong at all with a locking traditional knife, with the exception that if you stab with it you might want to use a backlock. Biggest problem with them is generally they are single-bladed, but you can find locking Whittlers with three blades, rough rider makes some I believe, but they won't be oho unless you modify them. I carry more than a few everyday myself, including a fixed,but I find myself reaching for my big Queen #49h as much as anything. D2 steel, only one long clip, but Tom Krein reground it into a murderously sharp cutter, an awl, and a hoofpick. Sounds funny, but I find that hoofpick handy as all hell, getting into tight spaces, or for a little extra reach under my 2 year olds bed. SAK makes more than a few knives that lock as well. In other words, look around a bit and you'll find the right one.:thumbsup:
Thanks, Neal
 
My most used knife is an alox Vic Pioneer. I always carry a modern folder (CRK Insingo) but I tend to use the Vic way more. It has the versatility that I just tend to reach for. That may be an option of you are looking for a low cost hard use slip joint.
 
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