Caveat Emptor zakjak221

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SoB Proto I purchased from him was advertised as "Never used Sharpened or carried!". Seller, Mark, failed to mention the obvious red (blood?) stain on the handle and rust on the forward scale holder, not present in the photo he used. You can barely make out the stain in the photo if you look carefully at the picture, but due to the quality of the photo, it's far less obvious than it shows in person. Rust is nonexistent in photo and likely an old photo.
He takes no responsibility. Ignores my request for a refund as it is not in the condition as pictured, says I should try some steel wool to get rid of the rust and, 'it was a good deal', despite being posted and unsold numerous times previously.
Unscrupulous seller. Ask the questions you shouldn't need to or be prepared to be disappointed. A very disappointing first exchange here on the forum.

Update 9-14;
Seller has posted a retaliatory negative feedback for me still claiming 'buyers remorse'.
Moved photo links here to find easier.

Here is the knife as received;
http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Hoka/media/Mobile Uploads/image_zpsqyfsjtwm.jpeg.html?sort=3&o=3

The next two show what I consider to be minor surface rust on the same knife, which I do think could easily be missed, but would still affect the surface to remove. Hardly worth mentioning and I wouldn't have made a stink about them.
http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Hoka/media/Mobile Uploads/image_zpsddol86ae.png.html?sort=3&o=1
http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Hoka/media/Mobile Uploads/image_zpsgf2yknnw.png.html?sort=3&o=2

The last is after having removed the rust.
http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Hoka/media/Mobile Uploads/image_zpsrtioqwzl.png.html?sort=3&o=0
 
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Knife was sold as represented.
Never used,sharpened or carried!
Don't know about any blood on knife?
 
zakjak221 said:
Unscrupulous---69 total sales/purchases here on forum,all 100%.
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Are you refusing to give a refund so that the matter can just be done with? Many have refunded people even when they didn't agree with their reasons because it's the right thing to do. Not blaming you, but it would close the matter immediately.

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Cray,
Sure,I'll explain,or u can look at for sale thread.
I listed knife as never used,sharpened or carried. ..which it was not.
There was no blood on knife when I shipped it?
So his complaint is about a spec of rust on front tube fastner which I honestly didn't see.
So maybe he has buyers remorse or saw another knife that he likes better?
I'm not responsible for that.
 
OP, member 1 month; 3 count 'em, 3 posts; all about this knife :rolleyes:. zak, member 6 years, 100% feedback :thumbup:. Forget him, zak; yeah, you could refund him to keep the peace but NAH. :grumpy:
 
zakjak221 said:
Cray,
Sure,I'll explain,or u can look at for sale thread.
I listed knife as never used,sharpened or carried. ..which it was not.
There was no blood on knife when I shipped it?
So his complaint is about a spec of rust on front tube fastner which I honestly didn't see.
So maybe he has buyers remorse or saw another knife that he likes better?
I'm not responsible for that.
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I can only tell you what I would do: I give refunds if the buyer isn't satisfied, no matter if it is a good reason or not. In this case (some do to the rust), I would offer him a partial refund(based on what it would cost me to take the knife back, sell it again and ship it again) or a full refund if he wants to return it.( My choice on the partial amount, his choice as to which he wants to take.) If he paid goods and services he can file a claim , so taking the high road seems best to me. Sometimes you just have to grin and bear it.
Anyway that is what I would do.
 
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Being a new (Or old) member is not a good indication of virtue.

Whether a knife has been used or not, you still need full disclosure. You sound as if you think that since it's unused, it releases you from any responsibilities. I can clearly see the red stain in the photo, although I agree it would be easy to overlook by the quality of your picture. It could have been an oversight on your part, but you can still do the right thing.

Policy states, no transaction is complete until both parties are happy. Is your reputation worth the cost of shipping?
 
If you're going to rely on your Feedback as a Reference then- The Deals Not Done until both parties are Happy.

Explaining away his displeasure doesn't diminish it.
 
So you admit that the blade had rust that you didn't see (or note in your sale thread - how's is that the buyers reponsibility) and your own pic of the knife shows some kind of stain or imperfection on the scale (also not referenced by you) but, because of your 100% sales history and the buyer's newbie status, you feel entitled to take katanas spectacularly short sighted advice and pi$$ away your excellent rep here on BF? The knife is not as described and the buyer isn't happy. It's on you to make this right. That's the spirit and letter of the "rules" in our sales forums. Good luck to you both.

zakjak221 said:
Cray,
Sure,I'll explain,or u can look at for sale thread.
I listed knife as never used,sharpened or carried. ..which it was not.
There was no blood on knife when I shipped it?
So his complaint is about a spec of rust on front tube fastner which I honestly didn't see.
So maybe he has buyers remorse or saw another knife that he likes better?
I'm not responsible for that.
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katanas said:
OP, member 1 month; 3 count 'em, 3 posts; all about this knife :rolleyes:. zak, member 6 years, 100% feedback :thumbup:. Forget him, zak; yeah, you could refund him to keep the peace but NAH. :grumpy:
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zakjak221 said:
Cray,
Sure,I'll explain,or u can look at for sale thread.
I listed knife as never used,sharpened or carried. ..which it was not.
There was no blood on knife when I shipped it?
So his complaint is about a spec of rust on front tube fastner which I honestly didn't see.
So maybe he has buyers remorse or saw another knife that he likes better?
I'm not responsible for that.
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I did read the sales ad and it offers just as little info. That sentence does not make sense. Good luck to you.
 
Spectacularly short sighted, Hmmmmm. I guess anyone around a year from now will see whether the OP or zakjak221 is still around and has contributed more to BF. And, by the way, I am nearsighted but not enough to notice that the stain you believe you see, Ruzster, is not mentioned as a problem I also must be too nearsighted to see the pics posted by the OP of the supposed defects.
 
Ok, no dog, but my two cents. Personally I wouldn't purchase anything of value with a picture as crappy as the one in the sales thread. That being said, if the OP of this GB&U is going to make very specific claims and not want everyone to just think " buyers remorse", why on earth are there not higher quality and detailed pics of claims made?

I hear many spout the tag line, "deals not done until everyone is happy". But in the real world, that is just a short sighted, utopian statement. And one without value in my eyes. At least until we have a society where EVERYONE is completely honest, and NO ONE ever brings emotions into a transaction. Not likely.

If a deal is done but the buyer has buyers remorse (often), is it the sellers responsibility to cover costs, lost time, and money? If a deal is done and the seller is less than forthright in details (also often), is it the buyers responsibility to cover cost, lost time, money and/or product of less than expected value?

We can all take sides or place blame, but neither have offered up much to allow such. If I were the buyer, I'd be asking for much better pictures (before purchase) to validate the new and unused claim. Also I'd be providing such in a rant thread, right in the first post. If I were the seller, I'd be supplying pictures that weren't so obviously out of focus, so there would be no possibility of claim after the fact, to contradict the new and unused selling text.

Some of the GBU threads are very obvious as to who is at fault. And the majority of them include PP F&F, custom product prepayment in full, months or years ahead of expected delivery....or both. This one, however, is simply lacking details that make me think it's one of those "both at fault", get offline and work it out kind of transactions. Blurry pic, no real details from the buyer, etc.

My opinion, worth exactly what I charged for it. [emoji12]


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