CFK Knife update and company history

OK, I did buy a 1095HC tracker quite a while ago and it was decent. It did what I bought it to do, i.e. beat on small branches to clear some animal trails on our land. I would certainly not want to be stranded out in the bush with this as my only knife, like that bad movie, since it did not lend itself to skinning and/or actually cutting anything.

The sheath was probably worth as much as the knife, I paid $55 for the package before they got "popular" and the sheath was worth $20+ fwiw. I did own one and use it...and left it in the barn for future use by anyone that happens through there.
 
coinbuysell said:
But they so love this forum...updated post of mine from another thread regarding eBay feedback of CFK. First the neutral:

DISAPPOINTED IN WORKMANSHIP HANDLE HAS GRIND MARKS ON IT Buyer: o***0 ( 243Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
During past 6 months Feedback conversation


Reply by cfk-cutlery-company (Jan-18-16 10:55):
BOTTOM FEEDER - comments are baloney. Probably a Bladeforums.com joker. BLOCKED

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cfk-cutlery-company&iid=161983437869&de=off&items=25&which=neutral&interval=365&_trkparms=neutral_365

Now the meat from their negative feedbacks:

A lot better places to buy a knife than here. Cheap, low quality, unfinished kni Buyer: s***i (private)
During past month Feedback conversation


Reply by cfk-cutlery-company (Jan-30-16 14:55):
Buyer is a paid spokesman for a compeitor from terrorist group "Bladeforums.com"
Follow-up by s***i (Feb-23-16 15:16):
A paranoid delutional rant. Paid by who? Makes No sense. Just a bad review

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cfk-cutlery-company&iid=161983437869&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

Terrorists, I hate the way people use that term now days...everyone is a terrorist :barf:
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I hardily agree with your last line re "terrorist" labeling , NOT cool at all !

However there is something fishy about the most recent neg comments on ebay for CFK . ONE buyer put some huge number of negs (32 ?) just this month . That's more negs than they've had in the whole rest of their recorded history . And why would one buyer either buy that many at once or worse continue to repeat order from such a despicable seller ? Just don't seem like valid regular consumer behavior to me . Yeah and the buyer was that "s***i" fella , I believe . Who knows , even paranoid skitsies sometime do have somebody "after them".
 
I feel a bit awkward because i always think you're talking about my company (CKF) lol
 
crufflers said:
Who are these bloggers and blogs you are referring to?

I can only speak for myself. I found CFK on Ebay where I was buying Kershaws mostly. I was not even into fixed blades at the time really. I wish I could say the same today.

I am a normal collector who bought a bunch of CFK's and I give honest opinions on how I see the Company and how I find the knives I own. I've given away quite a few but still have some. The ones I use are in a kitchen drawer that also contains a few Moras and a SYKCO 511. If I test them out of curiosity and post anything it is my own opinion and not propaganda, lies, or misinformation, etc... the facts are the facts. I like the 8" Prather bowie copy. I thought it was pretty unique until I saw that it was a total rip-off of that Prather collab. I have had the Tracker style iPaks and the transition grinds do SUCK. The fact they don't know what a sharpening choil is for SUCKS.

The fact is, my opinion is these are not made in the USA and are 100% from Pakistan. That's fine and good if they are presented that way.

Honestly before posting about CFK here, I didn't know if I wanted to admit to owning any. If I put some CFK's through hard use and they shine, I will post that too. It still doesn't mean they are forged and vaccuum hardened to amazing levels in the UK with a super-secret custom special D2 formulation and then shipped over to the USA for more polish and handmade scales, camel bone handles, and stacked leather, plus italian leather sheaths from shoe factory scraps, then sold at a loss for $40 or $50 and the sheer joy of sharing these handmade beauties with the world. I've never seen one hardness test divot on mine. They must be hiding under the handles? Maybe the terrorists on BF are CFK employees in iPak land?

Anything negative I posted is true to the best of my knowledge and a lot of it is just my opinion. It is also true I posted some positive comments. You hold these knives in your hand they are beefy and feel solid. Quite a few of them are great looking knives. Also true that I have no idea what this steel is - though I feel like I know where it is from.

That series of posts where the guy was supposedly from Pakistan and afraid for his safety was EFFING strange. Dunno what that was all about but seemed unlikely it as from competition. What do you guys think?
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I am referring to people who haven't bought or held these knives, but somehow are giving their "honest opinions".
 
CKF said:
I feel a bit awkward because i always think you're talking about my company (CKF) lol
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Relax, nobody could mistake the two product lines despite the similar initials .

Except , I believe you do sell a "Decepticon" knife and these CFK threads seem to attract some wannabe junior Decepticons !
 
Looking deeper into this scandal…

If you follow any of these blogs closely you will see that no matter what CFK states or its fans state, the blogger(s) will negate it and spin lies in return or confuse the facts with more opinions and false-data, and then “drop” the names of the competitor(s) they supports as THE SOLUTION.

You will see names of the competitor companies being mentioned routinely throughout the blogs or the name of a "custom knife maker”. Competitor names are routinely implied, routinely referenced with photo comparison against a CFK product, and links to competitor websites are also routinely furnished by the blogger(s). They use CFK as their TARGET, while actually promoting their own interests in this covert manner. The TRUE PURPOSE of the continued blog posts of Black PR is to make a potential new buyer of a CFK Knife (or similar), have doubts or concerns and feel uneasy… and buy from the competitor(s).

The BLACK PROPAGANDIST will invent “TARGET phrases” and use photos comparisons, and then repeat them over and over and get other bloggers to repeat them over and over to create an apparency that the statement is true and a fact, when it reality it is a LIE, these generalities are all passed along as if they are true and correct.

Example “TARGETs" of these Bloggers to spread lies and false information are:

• the company can not be trusted
• the knives are not made where they state
• the Jason’s are the same people
• their knives are all copies
• the knives are cheap / junk
• the steels used are not what they say
• the steels they use are of low or bad quality
• the sheaths are junk / bad quality
• all positive posts from supporters are really employees of CFK pretending to me forum members

These bloggers invent opinions about anything and everything and then repeat it on other forum sites or other active blogs as NEW FACTS AND INFORMATION (when in reality it is al DIS-INFORMATION and lies). This tactic is BLACK PROPAGANDA. They work alone or in teams and know exactly what they are doing.

These bloggers carefully place “content building KEY WORDS into their blog posts”. By linking the KEY WORDS to their large BLACK PROPAGANDA blogs, they attempt to covertly nullify their competition. This is why “Jason” “CFK” “IPAK” “Baker” “Black” “Tracker” “Pakistan” are used over and over to build new negative content on search-engine searches for “CFK”.

Anyone can easily re-read though the many blog/threads on CFK (or similar knife brands and knife makers being attacked by bloggers), and observe the BLACK PROPAGANDIST(S) working hard…
 
And explain why an stranger who joins solely to boost CFK or attack one of its many competitors should be given any weight at all.

Look up "shill," shill.

And this is not a blog. It's a forum.
 
DocJD said:
I hardily agree with your last line re "terrorist" labeling , NOT cool at all !

However there is something fishy about the most recent neg comments on ebay for CFK . ONE buyer put some huge number of negs (32 ?) just this month . That's more negs than they've had in the whole rest of their recorded history . And why would one buyer either buy that many at once or worse continue to repeat order from such a despicable seller ? Just don't seem like valid regular consumer behavior to me . Yeah and the buyer was that "s***i" fella , I believe . Who knows , even paranoid skitsies sometime do have somebody "after them".
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I think you misunderstood me, I am also against labeling everyone a terrorist.

What that guy was saying is he has bought over 200 knives from them, probably a re-seller at a flea market (I have seen a few of them), and the quality has gone down over the last few years.
 
Obviously the guy behind cfk has some kind of mental illnes. He is selling knives. They are somewhat average. Why does he needs to lie?
Why does he needs to come here to this forum and lie?
Just STFO and keep selling your knives. Be happy with it. Stop lying. Just say 1095 and bone handle skinner, or whatevs. Don't add made in USA or I selled 100.000 knives.
England factory? It's well known that pakistani manufacturers who sell overseas are based in England.
You are selling pakistani knives. Big deal. Own it, deal with it, be happy.
 
Charlie Rollie said:
• the company can not be trusted
• the knives are not made where they state
• the Jason’s are the same people
• their knives are all copies
• the knives are cheap / junk
• the steels used are not what they say
• the steels they use are of low or bad quality
• the sheaths are junk / bad quality
• all positive posts from supporters are really employees of CFK pretending to me forum members
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I disagree with the majority of these nine you list. The first TWO, however are DOOZIES.
 
Charlie Rollie said:
These bloggers invent opinions about anything and everything and then repeat it on other forum sites or other active blogs as NEW FACTS AND INFORMATION (when in reality it is al DIS-INFORMATION and lies). This tactic is BLACK PROPAGANDA. They work alone or in teams and know exactly what they are doing.
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Forum members and people posting in "Knife Reviews" on a Knife Forum are not inventing opinions. They are giving their opinions. If you don't agree, show us the truth.

I can name a bunch of brands I'd rather have ONE of than some CFK's. I'd rather have one SYKCO Regulator for $150 than three CFK's. I'd rather have one Swamp Rat Ratweiler than four CFK's. I'd rather have one Busse Team Gemini than eight CFK's. I'd rather have one TOPS Prather War Bowie than three of the copies. I'd rather have just about any knife than a iPAK Tracker.

Am I spreading black propaganda or just giving my opinion in a forum where people give their opinions? Did I just create a blogging scandal? Hahahahahah. Yep, laughing at you.
 
aguijonmagico said:
Obviously the guy behind cfk has some kind of mental illnes. He is selling knives. They are somewhat average. Why does he needs to lie?
Why does he needs to come here to this forum and lie?
Just STFO and keep selling your knives. Be happy with it. Stop lying. Just say 1095 and bone handle skinner, or whatevs. Don't add made in USA or I selled 100.000 knives.
England factory? It's well known that pakistani manufacturers who sell overseas are based in England.
You are selling pakistani knives. Big deal. Own it, deal with it, be happy.
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+1 this right here. I think the majority of moderate posters here have agreed that it really isn't about the quality or originality of these knives, but the honesty of their company. Regardless of how awesome a knife is, if the founder of Spyderco or benchmade were found lying to customers about where their product was manufactured you would see a serious drop in their customer base, and rightly so. CFK needs to be straightforward. As aguijonmagico said, they need to own it.
 
wesmanthetiger said:
CFK needs to be straightforward. As aguijonmagico said, they need to own it.
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Yeah but think about it... it isn't gonna be easy to own it now. What a shitstorm that would be. I think the time for honesty has passed and they know it. A reversal now would be pretty pathetic.
 
Charlie Rollie said:
black propaganda
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Other businesses that get a negative review or have one bad transaction, etc... come to a thread and usually can straighten it out with the truth pretty quickly. If CFK cannot, don't chalk it up to some secret conspiracy. Busse doesn't give a rat's ass about CFK, IMHO. The stuff I mentioned you can't buy from them anyway. It all sells out fast.

Since you probably work for them, show us pictures of the factory, the forging area, the unprocessed steel, the vaccuum hardening process, the hardness testing routine, the grinding area of the factory, the scales coming to the USA, the scales being hand made and attached, the polishing routine, etc... Show us your UK operation and your OR workshop.
 
I beat on the Prather copy a bit tonight and it did not roll chip deform or fail in any way. It bit pretty deep for the shape and would baton decently if it didn't have that sawtooth swedge going on. The tip did not snap as I stabbed it a dozen times or so, but didn't do anything overly nuts like prying the tip from side to side buried into an oak log. Overall I was impressed. It doesn't bite like a Chop House, but that's not a fair comparison. The blade isn't made of pot metal. The saw tooth back marked up my 3 pound dead blow hammer as I was trying to break a piece off at a notch. Nothing would break. Convex edge does seems to hold up better than the original edge. If I beat on the handles of the iPak I think those might have broken. I routinely beat the handles of the SYKCO when it gets stuck... but who knows. RES-C VS Micarta with anemic screws and epoxy isn't a fair compare either.

Nothing scientific here. Like I said I would, I just took the iPak bowie out since I was playing with the SYKCO. Nothing broke.







Chop House balls deep:
 
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