Must agree, any shipper who does NOT insure his package is being foolish and/or cheap. Its the sellers job to ensure delivery and insurance does that. I 've shipped hundreds of packages us mail and never had a problem. Any knife over $1000 I send registered which is slow but VERY safe and cheaper than insured priority cause of the safety. I would not buy from a seller who does not insure.................I also request shippers to use registered if its a valuable package or rare item.
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Must agree, any shipper who does NOT insure his package is being foolish and/or cheap. Its the sellers job to ensure delivery and insurance does that. I 've shipped hundreds of packages us mail and never had a problem. Any knife over $1000 I send registered which is slow but VERY safe and cheaper than insured priority cause of the safety. I would not buy from a seller who does not insure.................I also request shippers to use registered if its a valuable package or rare item.
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Well, my knife is gone.
I contacted the seller and I am now waiting for a reply. Unfortunately, I paid with gift/goods, so if I get screwed I guess it's live and learn. However as you guys mentioned, it could have been avoided entirely had he been more intelligent with his packaging. Hopefully he does the right thing.
I contacted the seller and I am now waiting for a reply. Unfortunately, I paid with gift/goods, so if I get screwed I guess it's live and learn. However as you guys mentioned, it could have been avoided entirely had he been more intelligent with his packaging. Hopefully he does the right thing.
Justin,
Sorry for your trouble but you could do us a service and let us know who this person is....This may prevent aggravation to the folks here that have been giving you advice and trying to help.
That would be the right thing to do
PAW
Sorry for your trouble but you could do us a service and let us know who this person is....This may prevent aggravation to the folks here that have been giving you advice and trying to help.
That would be the right thing to do
PAW
Aside from the fact that paypal was cheated out of payment for services rendered and that you left yourself with no protection whatsoever, the fact that you used the gift option is immaterial in regards to the member you bought this from making it right.
His negligence in shipping/insurance is ultimately the reason the knife is missing and you have nothing.
If he refuses to make this transaction right, he has no place here. It may not get you your money or knife back, but it will protect the rest of the membership from his poor ethics and business practices.
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I absolutely will. The seller rejected my request for a refund, so I'm going to make sure no one gets screwed like I did. Please refer back to the original post, I'm going to do some editing.
Im sorry that you didn't get your knife. That really sucks and it is an unfortunate incident. I know the seller personally. He is a great guy. He is a good friend, a family man, and an outstanding person. He fought for our country and still continues to serve. He would NEVER screw anyone. He is honest and a man of his word and is of the highest character. This happened at the post office or after it left the post office I have no doubt. I hope that the knife turns up. Good luck!
No offense to you sir, but your glowing review about this guy is just plain wrong. He screwed the OP out of a significant chunk of change through negligence/ignorance/laziness, and refused to man up and take responsibility for it. He is in no way, shape, or form, a "good guy" in this situation.
Hi Jensen
With all due respect, his military service has nothing to do with this. A month or so ago another person screwed several other members here and he went to great lengths to talk about his service to the nation. All good and well, but the OP is still out of luck.
If you know this guy and he is as stand up as you say, he should be stepping up and making this right. He poorly packaged the piece, did not insure it and now it is lost to to the poor packaging. He is essentially screwing the OP.
Truth be told, I would NEVER gift this guy on PP , (especially as he has no feedback and has not been here long. I am sorry if this sounds rough but I am tired of hearing about how good a family man, service man, ect. simply used to deflect poor, boorish or unethical behavior.
With all due respect, his military service has nothing to do with this. A month or so ago another person screwed several other members here and he went to great lengths to talk about his service to the nation. All good and well, but the OP is still out of luck.
If you know this guy and he is as stand up as you say, he should be stepping up and making this right. He poorly packaged the piece, did not insure it and now it is lost to to the poor packaging. He is essentially screwing the OP.
Truth be told, I would NEVER gift this guy on PP , (especially as he has no feedback and has not been here long. I am sorry if this sounds rough but I am tired of hearing about how good a family man, service man, ect. simply used to deflect poor, boorish or unethical behavior.
I understand your desire not to get involved in the situation. But since you are a good friend of his, he might appreciate it if you told him about this thread. He could then give his side of the story, try to come to a mutually satisfactory resolution with the buyer, etc. Just an idea.
Maybe I'm a contrarian, but I believe it's just as much the buyer's fault in this case as the seller. Had the buyer purchased the knife legitimately through paypal instead of breaking their policies by buying a good via gift option, he'd have some recourse. I feel that what is fair and right is for the seller to give back half of the purchase amount and call it a lesson learned by both. That won't happen because he's dealing with a man who obviously won't give any of the money back. Maybe the buyer will not try to defraud paypal again. Sounds harsh, but when you cut corners, you get burned. This buyer just got burned and I don't have much sympathy for him. I do applaud him for warning others about the seller.
Maybe the post should've been " I'm not upset about it because I broke policies and me getting screwed is my fault, but you guys should know about this seller because of this...."
Or maybe Paypal should start making posts about how people used their services without paying and include this guy stiffing paypal out of their money? I know what I would be called if I didn't pay a carpenter who did work for me. I k ow what I would be called if I didn't pay one of my employees who I relied on to get something done for me on time and up to my standards. I would be called a thief.
So I guess to reiterate, I don't feel bad for the buyer because he robbed someone and then got robbed himself.
Maybe the post should've been " I'm not upset about it because I broke policies and me getting screwed is my fault, but you guys should know about this seller because of this...."
Or maybe Paypal should start making posts about how people used their services without paying and include this guy stiffing paypal out of their money? I know what I would be called if I didn't pay a carpenter who did work for me. I k ow what I would be called if I didn't pay one of my employees who I relied on to get something done for me on time and up to my standards. I would be called a thief.
So I guess to reiterate, I don't feel bad for the buyer because he robbed someone and then got robbed himself.
Man, packaging anything like that is beyond stupid. I think you might be onto something tek.
I know for a fact that the USPS will not accept a package like that (unsealed). They will send you to an empty window to seal it up and you can come back when it is done correctly. That is how every post office I've ever been to handles that stuff. If a package is dropped into the lobby drop off, then they can't see it right then and there.
I mean that is a document mailer, you can't put sharpened steel in that man and expect it to make it to where it needs to go.
I also agree that a person having at one point or presently serving in the military has ZERO bearing on this. I've met a lot of people that served in the military, I wouldn't issue them all halo's just on that fact alone, come on.
I know for a fact that the USPS will not accept a package like that (unsealed). They will send you to an empty window to seal it up and you can come back when it is done correctly. That is how every post office I've ever been to handles that stuff. If a package is dropped into the lobby drop off, then they can't see it right then and there.
I mean that is a document mailer, you can't put sharpened steel in that man and expect it to make it to where it needs to go.
I also agree that a person having at one point or presently serving in the military has ZERO bearing on this. I've met a lot of people that served in the military, I wouldn't issue them all halo's just on that fact alone, come on.
Ok now that I have been bashed without any "evidence" present lets start with the facts:
Facts- The buyer was offered additional insurance at his cost
- the Seller does not have to include insurance
- There has been no proof that the knife was not included in the package, all there was, was a picture of an open package
- The USPS would have contacted me if there was an issue with the package prior to being sent ( which there wasn't)
- The empty package would not be delivered to an address, a letter from the mail carrier would be left in the (buyer's) mailbox stating such as issue had arisen.
- Everyone here is coming to their own conclusions to a one sided story thus far ( does not surprise me)
- Today, after I received an e-mail from Justin Watts, I called the post office where I mailed it from, provided all information and they stated that their system showed that the package had in fact been delivered. (opinion enclosed here- if the package was delivered at the SAME weight as shipped, that leads me to believe that either 1- someone at the USPS post office in CA took the knife or 2- the knife was received as it is should be and I am being lied to in an attempt to get a free knife)
- I did in fact ship the knife in the package as shown, that package was the exterior of another package in which the knife was wrapped in a small cloth, bubbled wrapped and sealed as to prevent anyone from "knowing" it was a knife to prevent theft.
- The sad thing is that theft does occur whether it be at the Post Office or by someone else. At this time I have been presented with nothing to affirm that the knife was in fact not delivered to the buyer.
- There were no sharp edges or blades poking through the envelope and it was sealed and secured (with the price of shipping placed over the seal, as to ensure the seal is secure)
Opinions- The package that was used to ship the knife was more than secure, whether it be a box, envelope or a gun safe it was still secure.
- I don't believe that without evidence present, I should just bow to the words of someone whom I do not even know. That being said, with the lack of proof that the knife never made it there, I will keep my original answer affirmed. I will not provide a refund. I am sorry if that bothers you but think of me as you will. I have shipped, sold, and bought knives and never once had a problem.
Facts- The buyer was offered additional insurance at his cost
- the Seller does not have to include insurance
- There has been no proof that the knife was not included in the package, all there was, was a picture of an open package
- The USPS would have contacted me if there was an issue with the package prior to being sent ( which there wasn't)
- The empty package would not be delivered to an address, a letter from the mail carrier would be left in the (buyer's) mailbox stating such as issue had arisen.
- Everyone here is coming to their own conclusions to a one sided story thus far ( does not surprise me)
- Today, after I received an e-mail from Justin Watts, I called the post office where I mailed it from, provided all information and they stated that their system showed that the package had in fact been delivered. (opinion enclosed here- if the package was delivered at the SAME weight as shipped, that leads me to believe that either 1- someone at the USPS post office in CA took the knife or 2- the knife was received as it is should be and I am being lied to in an attempt to get a free knife)
- I did in fact ship the knife in the package as shown, that package was the exterior of another package in which the knife was wrapped in a small cloth, bubbled wrapped and sealed as to prevent anyone from "knowing" it was a knife to prevent theft.
- The sad thing is that theft does occur whether it be at the Post Office or by someone else. At this time I have been presented with nothing to affirm that the knife was in fact not delivered to the buyer.
- There were no sharp edges or blades poking through the envelope and it was sealed and secured (with the price of shipping placed over the seal, as to ensure the seal is secure)
Opinions- The package that was used to ship the knife was more than secure, whether it be a box, envelope or a gun safe it was still secure.
- I don't believe that without evidence present, I should just bow to the words of someone whom I do not even know. That being said, with the lack of proof that the knife never made it there, I will keep my original answer affirmed. I will not provide a refund. I am sorry if that bothers you but think of me as you will. I have shipped, sold, and bought knives and never once had a problem.
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Typically, when a seller offers to ship goods to a buyer in exchange for money, the seller is obligated to ensure that the buyer receives the goods, once the money changes hands.
Part of ensuring that goods are delivered, involves properly packaging said goods. I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that loosely mailing a substantial (and very expensive) knife in a flimsy, thin cardboard document envelope, is considered proper packaging.
The seller had full opportunity to pay an additional 10 or 20 cents for a small flat rate box, at the very least to re-enforce the seams of the envelope with a little bit of packing tape. He also had the opportunity to pay an extra couple of dollars for some insurance to cover his (not the buyer's) butt.
Why should the OP be left holding the bag because an item he paid for wasn't packaged well enough to make it to its destination? Is it the OP's fault that the seller didn't care enough to package the knife a little more sensibly?
One would think that an individual of the honesty and integrity that has been described, would take a little more responsibility for his business dealings.
Granted, the OP is not without fault, as the gift option should have never been used. Now the payment has become exactly that: a gift.
Marinemp, the proof is in his picture. I have received an empty package from the post office before as well. The sender did not tape the box shut. I received an empty box with official USPS stickers that said "received unsealed" just like Justinwatts did. I doubt he forged those stickers. In my case, the sender was not notified until I told him.
As for the weight, the package would have been weighed in initially, but if the knife was lost in transit the weight change wouldn't be noted. I can't imagine every package is weighed in the mail truck right before its placed in a mailbox...
As for the weight, the package would have been weighed in initially, but if the knife was lost in transit the weight change wouldn't be noted. I can't imagine every package is weighed in the mail truck right before its placed in a mailbox...