Cheap rip off knives....

[Hackenslash]

So we are insulting America now. Just to be clear.

No, I think colubrid makes a valid point and I don't think he's insulting the US. If it weren't for the mentality of "the best price possible for the least item that can do the job", (aka neomentat), the clone industry wouldn't have the foothold it has. I think he draws a valid comparison between a typical US mentality and a typical European mentality.

 

[Tbmfish]

I got a ladder I use weekly that I have had for 20 years you can borrow it if you want [emoji15][emoji15][emoji15][emoji12] it's really nice


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[Tbmfish]

This doesn't even make sense.

Most things in the whole clone discussion don't. People throw out that whole lesson from mama, "if you don't have nothing nice to say don't say nothing at all"


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[Cursum Perficio]

The thing about Ganzo knives is, it can not be beat on the value proposition.

Also, it really makes you wonder, for $12-$15 retail through ebay, ali, or dhgate, you're getting REAL 440C steel, G10 or carbon fiber scales, full stainless liners and free shippping.

Now the question is, if Ganzo knives can retail this low with all the above mentioned materials and still make a profit, WHAT'S THE PROFIT MARGIN FROM BYRD, KERSHAW, BOKER, SPYDERCO that are made in China with 8cr13mov or lesser steel that's selling for $30-$50? All these companies sell knives made in China, 8cr13mov is a lesser steel than 440c and you can forget about carbon fiber scales.

The truth is, all these knife companies that sell made in China knives are RIPPING US OFF, the consumers in the U.S. while fattening their own purses!!!

'Real 440C'? What makes you think that?

I'm trying to envisage Sal Glesser sitting in his office steepling his fingers like Monty Burns ("Excellent!") 'cos he is cunningly screwing us for an extra $10 out of every Tenacious that sells.

Nope. I'm just not seeing it.

 

[GIRLYmann]

It's a European thing to be completely frugal.
Thanks to a wonderful American innovation called the credit card,
A majority of people no longer need to worry about
The actual size of their wallet..
So if a particular segment of society
thinks that they are getting
their money's worth with
What they perceive to be quality goods
It's their choice to live with...
Everyone wants a well made product
That hopefully is, built to last.
For a knife it's probably edge holding, quality and styling.
Some cutlery manufacturers haven't jumped on board
The band wagon with a string of growing technological advances;
But have somehow remained in business for generations.
(Like the swiss victorinox brand).
Why?! Perhaps it's brand loyalty?
That could also be a testament to good business ethics perhaps?
Either way good products will always be forged or cloned
In the hope that the good stellar reputation of such a product
might rub on a look alike or fake.
A fairly new company like ganzo may be
Producing clones for now.
However one can't quite predict if this
Is their actual "long term" business strategy
If indeed they plan to remain in the cutlery business.
Or the brand could in the short term
"disappear" for one reason or another.
Does anyone know of its actual registered physical business address?

 

[Neomentat]

I try to enter into these discussions with respect to all parties involved but you're spouting such nonsense I don't really care if I hurt your feelings. Read a little about the Knife Industry before you puke BS all over us, OK?

You started this discussion by a personal attack you senile fool. Statistics? Don't kid yourself, you have never taken a college level stats course and probably never went to a university.

Don't feel sorry for the young of America because I feel sorry for you old man, for you are stuck in an America of the past and can't see what the business world have become, what's still made in USA these days? Look around the stuff of your own home and the labels on the cloth you wear. You probably believe all the Trump BS about bring manufacturing back to the US. Ain't going to happen, Trump use the cheapest labor at his hotels, from towels to furniture to electronics at his hotel are all none US made. Businesses goes to the lowest cost and that's just the way of business. Trump is fully aware of this as evidenced by his business practices yet closed minded people like you wants to believe in his lies.

The US corporations have long abandoned the high cost of US manufacturing, have you been hiding under a rock during the globalization of the last two decade.

And lastly, who the hell are you to tell me how and where to spend my money, this is very un-American of you to infringe on my freedom.

 

[Neomentat]

Answer this then, how do you know you are actually getting 440c steel in these knives? A company that openly rips off others designs would have no issue stamping 440c on some scrap metal they melted together.

Because in my personal usage and the experience of many others, it holds an edge better than 8cr13mov. There's a Russian guy on the internet who tested the metal at a lab and it came back with a 440c reading.

 

[Etna]

No, I think colubrid makes a valid point and I don't think he's insulting the US. If it weren't for the mentality of "the best price possible for the least item that can do the job", (aka neomentat), the clone industry wouldn't have the foothold it has. I think he draws a valid comparison between a typical US mentality and a typical European mentality.

Because it makes the most financial sense.

Using the ladder example: let's say a good quality ladder that lasts a lifetime costs $2000, but a cheap average ladder can be gotten for $200.

Am I going to replace my cheap ladder 10 times in my lifetime? Obviously not. Even if I replace it eight times, that's a total of $1600 spent. Subtract gas and parking for making the trip down to the shop for the purchase, and I still save some cash compared to blowing it all on a $2000 ladder to begin with.

 

[Neomentat]

Because it makes the most financial sense.

Using the ladder example: let's say a good quality ladder that lasts a lifetime costs $2000, but a cheap average ladder can be gotten for $200.

Am I going to replace my cheap ladder 10 times in my lifetime? Obviously not. Even if I replace it eight times, that's a total of $1600 spent. Subtract gas and parking for making the trip down to the shop for the purchase, and I still save some cash compared to blowing it all on a $2000 ladder to begin with.

You are absolutely right, and that's precisely the reason for the Walmart America of today. One of my past jobs had a Frig made in the 60's and its running ice cold still. Go buy any brand name frig now and it will crap out within 5-6 years if you are lucky. Businesses make money by selling you something over and over and so why would they increase their cost and produce something that's going to last a life time? Even if they do, most people are going to buy that cheap ladder due to price anyways.

 

[Neomentat]

BTW, why do these type of threads always turns into an ugly discussion of social issues of America? Stay on topic and keep your personal attacks and personal ethics for your self and don't try to enforce it on others in a forum.

 

[JupiterPaladin]

I watch a lot of reviewers on YouTube and quite a few are serious sharpeners. All of the ones I have seen discussing Ganzo's 440C claim have said it behaved as expected when sharpening like any legit 440C. Is there like a website or group somewhere that lab tests the steels for the good of the knife community?

 

[sfrigon1]

Awkward

 

[sharp_edge]

I am still waiting for this thread changes from Ganzo to Gonzo...

 

[Sosa]

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[Neomentat]

'Real 440C'? What makes you think that?

I'm trying to envisage Sal Glesser sitting in his office steepling his fingers like Monty Burns ("Excellent!") 'cos he is cunningly screwing us for an extra $10 out of every Tenacious that sells.

Nope. I'm just not seeing it.

Believe what you want on 440c, try one for yourself to erase your doubt, nothing will convince you otherwise.

I can't imagine Sal trying to screw us out of $10 per Tenacious but I bet you he makes more $ per Tenacious than Endura or Manix or PM2. And I'm sure he sells more Tenacious than the other 3 combined.

I been a Spyderco fan boy since the 90's but no longer. Sal brings a lot of designs to market and is very responsive to this community. But I no longer drink his cool-aid and have sold off all of my Spydercos. I don't like the price direction Spyderco is going but I respect the man building this company to what it is today from scratch.

 

[Tbmfish]

BTW, why do these type of threads always turns into an ugly discussion of social issues of America? Stay on topic and keep your personal attacks and personal ethics for your self and don't try to enforce it on others in a forum.

Says the only guy who brought up Donald trump! Trump gets his stuff made all over the world that's better than Hillary bringing all the people in the world to America to make it.

You really need to borrow my ladder to climb out of a really deep hole.
Spyderco is a great company. And my spyderco was made on USA dirt in golden Colorado. Yep the good old us of a!
I got a nice set of kitchen knives made in Japan and they are great!
I got a set of wood chisel hand forged from Japan and they two are awesome. I would say talented people live all over the world and I am honored to own many nice tools from many country's. I have a manly folder made in Bulgaria and I promise it will not disappoint especially for the price. If people are so sick of threads discussing clones why do they keep responding and coming back for more, it's a free market discussion forum. And it's almost impossible to solve and remedy this forum topic because whether you like it or not knives are knives and there here to stay.

I wonder if chuck Norris carries a knife?


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[Cursum Perficio]

Believe what you want on 440c, try one for yourself to erase your doubt, nothing will convince you otherwise.

I can't imagine Sal trying to screw us out of $10 per Tenacious but I bet you he makes more $ per Tenacious than Endura or Manix or PM2. And I'm sure he sells more Tenacious than the other 3 combined.

I been a Spyderco fan boy since the 90's but no longer. Sal brings a lot of designs to market and is very responsive to this community. But I no longer drink his cool-aid and have sold off all of my Spydercos. I don't like the price direction Spyderco is going but I respect the man building this company to what it is today from scratch.

I have some experience with cheap chinese folders, enough to know that they can be anywhere from very good for the price to utter crap. I have sharpened quite a few on the WE and SM, some feel similar to 440 and others most certainly do not. Seems to me, on my admittedly limited experience, that the steel you get is a roll of the dice. In some cases it's nothing to the makers to outright lie about the materials used. I'm referring to cheap chinese folders generally, not a specific brand.

Your decision to change from being a fan of Spyderco to not, is yours to make of course, and you stating respect for the man in certain areas suggests you have done so in a considered manner based on your own experience and thoughts. Fair enough.

Myself, I fail to see the relevance of how many of each model they sell and how much profit is made on each. I think the price of a Para2 for example is quite fair for a quality cutting tool that will last a very long time, with an accessible warranty on the quality (durability) of it.

An Enlan or Inron can be a really great folder for the price, edge holding is about what I would expect. I have onsold quite a few to people that only want cheap and usable. I have resharpened them as required. And whilst I admire the value and usability they represent, there is no way I would prefer one to a Para2/Manix/Military. I think the cost of a good Spyderco is reasonable considering the expected lifetime of the product, it's high level durability and usability.

I confess I didn't know Spyderco made cool aid.

 

[trevitrace]

You started this discussion by a personal attack you senile fool. Statistics? Don't kid yourself, you have never taken a college level stats course and probably never went to a university.

Don't feel sorry for the young of America because I feel sorry for you old man, for you are stuck in an America of the past and can't see what the business world have become, what's still made in USA these days? Look around the stuff of your own home and the labels on the cloth you wear. You probably believe all the Trump BS about bring manufacturing back to the US. Ain't going to happen, Trump use the cheapest labor at his hotels, from towels to furniture to electronics at his hotel are all none US made. Businesses goes to the lowest cost and that's just the way of business. Trump is fully aware of this as evidenced by his business practices yet closed minded people like you wants to believe in his lies.

The US corporations have long abandoned the high cost of US manufacturing, have you been hiding under a rock during the globalization of the last two decade.

And lastly, who the hell are you to tell me how and where to spend my money, this is very un-American of you to infringe on my freedom.

* has

 

[AntDog]

Answer this then, how do you know you are actually getting 440c steel in these knives? A company that openly rips off others designs would have no issue stamping 440c on some scrap metal they melted together.

I can tell you from my own personal experience from a Ganzo my wife has that it certainly behaves like honest to god 440C. It's the real deal.

I have no horse in this race other than my ol lady liked one of the switchblades they offered and I ordered her one. She's beat the everloving hell out of that knife, and it's held up.

She's damn hard on her knives. The blade stays sharper longer than the one on her much revered Rat 2.

I'd never buy one of their outright clones, but the one I bought my wife isn't a copy of anything, and it's working out A-ok for her.

She's also damned proud of it and brags about it. She loves it. Any time I post pictures of it on here, she asks what you all said "did they like my knife?"

It's disgusting to me that I have to lie. I tell her every time that you all loved her knife. It's just a $&@#ing knife.

The ganzos that look like an amalgam of crapola I can see the revulsion. Spyderco military with axis lock, handle from a rat 1, waved, etc. Nah, I'd never have one in my house. Ain't happening.

 

[Makael]

BTW, why do these type of threads always turns into an ugly discussion of social issues of America? Stay on topic and keep your personal attacks and personal ethics for your self and don't try to enforce it on others in a forum.

It's called freedom of speech.