Cheaper knives are punching above thier weight?

Boris74 said:
Glad I went fishing. Didn't catch a thing, not even a bite.

All I learned (already knew really) was my belt knife at just under 4" of cutting length splits all the wood I need for a fire. That thick slab of 5160 feathers as good as any puukko I have but is tougher behind the edge. So that soft common man steel keeps its edge longer on the hard woods I must deal with. Does anyone make a puukko in 3V? I'm not talking almost like a puukko, I want a for real puukko. Now that I may consider, but it's getting returned if it chips rolls or bends on me, and I'll blame y'all
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Try Big Chris. Of course you'll pay for the privilege, law of diminishing returns and all that.
 
Tachead01 said:
Sharpening takes time and time is money but, to each their own.

There is probably a reason why almost every business has a cardboard bin behind it. I'm guessing it's because cutting up cardboard with a several hundred dollar super steel knife is not the most efficient way. Or, maybe it's because most normal people are not looking for a reason to use their new knife.

Anyway, I am bored with this topic. Good day.
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Not bored of the argument that you started, surely? Anyway, most people don't have the skills to maintain the steel or the knowledge that a knife like that even exists. In fact, the argument that it's better because most people do it is a formalized logical fallacy known as argument from popularity.

Personally, I know I can get an efficient cutter in a highly abrasive resistant steel that I can maintain without difficulty, so I choose the most inexpensive method of dealing with my problem. ;)
 
Boris74 said:
Glad I went fishing. Didn't catch a thing, not even a bite.

All I learned (already knew really) was my belt knife at just under 4" of cutting length splits all the wood I need for a fire. That thick slab of 5160 feathers as good as any puukko I have but is tougher behind the edge. So that soft common man steel keeps its edge longer on the hard woods I must deal with. Does anyone make a puukko in 3V? I'm not talking almost like a puukko, I want a for real puukko. Now that I may consider, but it's getting returned if it chips rolls or bends on me, and I'll blame y'all
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Actually, thinner edges give better edge retention. A thicker edge increases in thickness more rapidly than a thin one as it wears.
 
Topic at hand...cheap knives, anybody? I got a Colt Sowbelly, couple Rough Riders and a Marbles or two....I feel they are a good value knife that I don't mind asking more than I like to ask of my "better", i.e. more expensive, blades. Excellent fit and finish for your $15-$30 If a cheap one breaks (hasn't happened yet) it'll be a learning experience...if an expensive one breaks, it's a crying shame and may be cause for an alcohol drowning....:(
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Try Big Chris. Of course you'll pay for the privilege, law of diminishing returns and all that.
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If 3V is all that and is just as tough in a thin blade as 1095 is thicker and holds up to my hard woods dilemma, then there should only be returns and no diminishing.
 
Boris74 said:
If 3V is all that and is just as tough in a thin blade as 1095 is thicker and holds up to my hard woods dilemma, then there should only be returns and no diminishing.
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You're seriously just messing with me now, right? My comment was directly linked to price. I have no hesitation saying that a custom from Big Chris will outperform your knife in every way. But it will cost many, many times as much as a result of that performance increase.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Actually, thinner edges give better edge retention. A thicker edge increases in thickness more rapidly than a thin one as it wears.
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I get what your saying. The thing is most puukkos are too thin behind the edge and don't hold up to honey locust or softer oak very long if you work it hard. A working edge that isn't rolled, chipped or dented on a thicker behind the edge blade will work longer. So I worded it wrong.

Thank you for fixing me!
 
Insipid Moniker said:
You're seriously just messing with me now, right? My comment was directly linked to price. I have no hesitation saying that a custom from Big Chris will outperform your knife in every way. But it will cost many, many times as much as a result of that performance increase.
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If I ever get one, I will use it. At that point to me price won't matter. What will is does it perform. That's it. If 3V can be made thinner than my fat blades that do better in hard woods but it will perform the same, I don't see anything diminishing about that.
 
stabman said:
It was a nice wedding.
Nothing at all went wrong, which is rare in my experience. :D

I solved the need for more cash by not having kids. :)
Some people want kids...I wanted knives.
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I've found many needs (and wants) can be had by replacing kids with a great number of more practical things. :P

Your wrapping method is similar to my father's, except he'd also use a gigantic, complicated box even when giving someone a gift card. :P
 
Well once someone posted " are expensive knives punching at their weight" ? We were off to another subject, related, but not on subject

Oh yeah , I almost forgot, my Rat II is a very useful inexpensive knife, the Kershaw " Needs Work" is well kept secret, as well
I could go on, but the point is there are many knives under $60 that are a very good value for hand earned dollars

Can I get an Amen?
 
RedLynx said:
Your wrapping method is similar to my father's, except he'd also use a gigantic, complicated box even when giving someone a gift card. :P
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I did that for my wife's birthday.
To give her a ring, the box was sized for a television. :D
With layers of smaller boxes (all taped), and bags, wrapping paper, and bubble wrap.

Lucky she had a knife. ;)

Ray5118 said:
Oh yeah , I almost forgot, my Rat II is a very useful inexpensive knife, the Kershaw " Needs Work" is well kept secret, as well
I could go on, but the point is there are many knives under $60 that are a very good value for hand earned dollars

Can I get an Amen?


Nives
Ives
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Amen.
And I see a couple around $60 that are on the radar for sure.
 
Not that this has anything to do with your post, but speaking of on the radar, I'm getting into smaller knives, in a way I never was before. I still need them to be pretty cheap, for example I picked up a Kershaw Half Ton (cheap steel and cheap import, not gonna lie) and it's a cool and handy little knife, and costs next to nothing. Sometimes I wonder what took me so long. But I still probably couldn't spend more than $30 on a knife less than 3.5" in length.... somehow I feel like small expensive knives cheat me out of steel. :P
 
thatsaknife said:
(...)In a perfect world it would be made in the country that sells it but for quality of manufacturing Taiwan has some of the best ISO 9000-9001 manufacturing facilities so one really cannot argue over quality can they?
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Speaking out of pure conjecture, I'd guess that manufacturing quality is improving all across the board in general. Modern machines are running faster with greater precision than ever before. Perhaps it is in this process of automation that we are able to acquire goods of higher quality for less money. Better manufacturing equipment results in a better product.

Makes me believe that most modern production knives are being made by machine operators rather than knifemakers... :dispirited:

-Brett
 
timberweasel said:
Speaking out of pure conjecture, I'd guess that manufacturing quality is improving all across the board in general. Modern machines are running faster with greater precision than ever before. Perhaps it is in this process of automation that we are able to acquire goods of higher quality for less money. Better manufacturing equipment results in a better product.

Makes me believe that most modern production knives are being made by machine operators rather than knifemakers... :dispirited:

-Brett
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Heck, I'm eagerly waiting for the day when they're mostly being made by nano replicators so they're completely uniform and without flaw. ;)
 
I just happened to take another glance at this thread. I wish it was whine and cheese, so all I'll say to you craytab is "KID!-KID!" you've got to be kidding me. By any measure, whether age or life experience, I doubt you come anywhere near my stature (your comment convinces me even more that there is a relationship between you and Karda). I do not wish to sidetrack this thread, and apologize if I have, but a large number of ignorant posts (and some valid ones) do not make YOU "SOMEBODY". By the way, I find that 1095, as many have said, is fine for most peoples knife usage. Desire is altogether different and that is one of the beauties of this "hobby" of ours.
 
katanas said:
I just happened to take another glance at this thread. I wish it was whine and cheese, so all I'll say to you craytab is "KID!-KID!" you've got to be kidding me. By any measure, whether age or life experience, I doubt you come anywhere near my stature (your comment convinces me even more that there is a relationship between you and Karda). I do not wish to sidetrack this thread, and apologize if I have, but a large number of ignorant posts (and some valid ones) do not make YOU "SOMEBODY". By the way, I find that 1095, as many have said, is fine for most peoples knife usage. Desire is altogether different and that is one of the beauties of this "hobby" of ours.
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This was definitely a sidetrack post, possibly one that'll get the thread locked.

But craytab is sufficiently chastised I'm sure. ;)

Not sure what the deal is with Karda getting honorable mention, not touching that one.
 
WOW! I certainly do NOT want to get a thread locked or anything like that. I knew my comment was off subject, so I tried to put it back on at the end. I admit I'm an "old fart" and not up on all the nuances of forum/posting protocol. Please forgive my internet ignorance, and don't punish others for my mistake. I guess I let my personal feeling of insult (see the "KIDs" profile) get out of line for GD, which is why I wished for W&C. Personal contact for instruction is welcome. Thanks.
 
RedLynx said:
But craytab is sufficiently chastised I'm sure. ;)
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They'll be back. There's just no way in cyberworld anyone could actually use 1095 and get more edge retention and toughness than they need. There's also no possible way cheapo TPE scales can pose better returns on a heavy user knife than some exotic scales can at their lower price point. Paying more always equals better, even if it's only the tiniest gain. No way you can get more for spending less. Atleast that's what I'm getting from the less expensive knives aren't punching above their price point crowd.
 
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