Cheaper knives are punching above thier weight?

[ocnLogan]

Appealing? Yes. Necessary? No. And don't get me wrong. I like supersteels as much as the next guy. But if they all suddenly disappeared and the only thing I was left with was 1095, I'd get by very, very well indeed. Wouldn't you?

Absolutely. Like I said, the fanciest steels I own are 1095, L6, and 440c. I could (and currently do?) like just fine with 1095.

The question just comes down to what we "need". I mean technically we got along ok with obsidian /flint/stone tools...

Anyway, I'll go back to quietly wishing that more 3v blades existed that made better use of its properties (in terms of geometry), while also contemplating getting a custom made that is "just right" for me, instead of trying lots of production ones that are "close". And while I'm doing that I'll keep using my 1095 .

 

[craytab]

No, folks that use better materials then are needed for the task are wasteful. But, that's OK if that's what makes them happy. After all, happiness is the most import thing imo. It's just sad that so many derive happiness from material possessions these days. But hey, we are all guilty of that from time to time.

So, do you apply this mantra to all aspects of life or just your knife steels?

No paper cuts here. I don't work in an office like you have insinuated. Just enjoying the comedy :thumbup:

 

[bld522]

No, folks that use better materials then are needed for the task are wasteful.

I guess that all depends on what the task is. If the task is using the finest materials money can buy, they're not being wasteful.

Here's the deal. There are more perspectives in life than you could possibly imagine. Drawing conclusions based on your perspective doesn't necessarily mean they're right or that others share them.

 

[Tachead01]

I guess that all depends on what the task is. If the task is using the finest materials money can buy, they're not being wasteful.

True but, it also depends on other factors like if the money would be better spent elsewhere. For instance, if someone orders another Strider in some fancy steel instead of paying for their kids hockey or post secondary education when a knife costing exponentially less in 1095 would have covered their uses. I think people just get a little obsessed with elitism or having the best instead of using common sense sometimes. Myself included.

 

[bld522]

True but, it also depends on other factors like if the money would be better spent elsewhere.

And who's to say that the money would be better spent elsewhere? You?

 

[The Aflac Duck]

True but, it also depends on other factors like if the money would be better spent elsewhere. For instance, if someone orders another Strider in some fancy steel instead of paying for their kids hockey or post secondary education when a knife costing exponentially less in 1095 would have covered their uses. I think people just get a little obsessed with elitism or having the best instead of using common sense sometimes. Myself included.

That's a good one...

I've been feeding my baby left over dog food because of my latest knife purchase

On a serious note, I'm not sure how you're coming to these conclusions...

 

[bld522]

Looks like Tachead01 wants to appoint himself to be our consciences. I, for one, respectfully decline the invitation.

 

[Tachead01]

So, do you apply this mantra to all aspects of life or just your knife steels?

No paper cuts here. I don't work in an office like you have insinuated. Just enjoying the comedy :thumbup:

Yeah, I try to actually. I have learned that living and enjoying experiences with friends and family is far more rewarding then opening/buying a new possession. But, I am not immune, I like my toys too, so I have learned that balance and not overbuying is key. But hey, ymmv.

I was more joking then insinuating dude and I am glad you are happy☺

 

[bld522]

We are glad you are happy too. Now shall we get back to discussing knives? That is, after all, the forum we're in.

 

[Tachead01]

We are glad you are happy too. Now shall we get back to discussing knives?

Yes for sure let's. We didn't really stop did we. All this discussion is on topic with the thread title just a bit deeper then your average knife discussion.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

Now shall we get back to discussing knives? That is, after all, the forum we're in.

Me like knife. Knife make Bender happy.

 

[Tachead01]

And who's to say that the money would be better spent elsewhere? You?

No, that is not what I said. That is up to every individual and their conscience. I don't tell others how to spend their hard earned cash. However from a practical standpoint, money spent for no practical benefit would always be better spent elsewhere imo.

 

[stabman]

No, folks that use better materials then are needed for the task are wasteful.

Okay, you convinced me...I'm going back to using my teeth.
I mean, it's good enough for the noble beaver (emblematic of Canada :thumbup, and our really, really, REALLY distant ancestors did fine (sort of) with teeth, till some wasteful bastards started us down this wimpy path by utilising stone.

 

[Tachead01]

Okay, you convinced me...I'm going back to using my teeth.
I mean, it's good enough for the noble beaver (emblematic of Canada :thumbup, and our really, really, REALLY distant ancestors did fine (sort of) with teeth, till some wasteful bastards started us down this wimpy path by utilising stone.

Now your just being silly. There is a rather large gap from teeth to 1095 but, only a very small one between 1095 and 3V lol.

 

[stabman]

Now your just being silly.

Or funny...hard to say.
Just woke up after a nice time passed out after a friend's wedding yesterday.

If they want to open my wedding present to them, they'll need to use a knife to defeat my signature wrapping method (which uses a wasteful amount of tape, cardboard, more tape, plastic wrap, more tape... ).

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

It was mentioned how, in example, 3V can be brought thinner than 1095 for equal durability and so could be used to make knives like ESEEs better, and how many knives in higher end steels are not offered in geometries that actually highlight that steel's advantages. I would like to further point out that most knives of more mundane steels are not offered in geometries that highlight their performance either. The fact that people so commonly rave about Moras as being awesome slicers ought to tell you something. Scandi grinds are literally the worst slicing geometry you can have for a given stock thickness and edge angle, so if those are slicing so much better than what these users have experienced...and knives like Opinels and Douk-Douks will slice circles around most modern "tactical" knives despite being made from really quite basic steel. The stuff in Douk-Douks is really only equivalent to something like 1070.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I have to agree with this. Very few people need the added benefits of 3V over good heat treated 1095. VERY VERY FEW.

There are videos of Esee's bent with power bars to 45 degree angles, batoned with heavy metal hammers through hardwood full of knots, hammered into telephone poles and then stood on, exc. They all survived and kept on cutting. Who really needs more toughness then that? Near nobody imo. As for edge holding, a 30 second strop brings 1095 back to hair popping most of the time so, the added edge holding of 3V is of little added value either imo. Most people don't even do enough things in a day that will dull 1095 to need more then a quick strop if even that. Hell, it seems like the vast majority of people on forums like BF are city folk who's knife edge never sees more then packing tape or cardboard in its service life, maybe the odd camping trip where it is worn on a belt most of the day and not used. Or maybe some backyard batoning for a YouTube video lol. It is pretty funny actually. Some of you knife nuts(I am one too&#9786 need to give your head a shake I think.

Probably only 5% of people actually need the benefits of 3V over 1095. Let's not fool ourselves here guys. It's OK to want it but, very few actually Need it.

Cardboard absolutely destroys 1095. Just doesn't have the carbide content to keep up with the abrasive nature of the material. I could get by with 1095, but I could also get by without a knife at all, so that argument seems more than a little silly. You're a big fan of ESEE and that's all good, but if I tried to use 1095 at Hrc 55 for all my daily cutting tasks I would be sharpening multiple times per day. Fairly quickly, I would need to regrind the blade when the constant sharpening pushed the edge up into the primary grind. Do that a few times, and I need to toss the knife and get a new one as ESEE comes with relatively obtuse geometry to begin with and now I've made it significantly worse.

On the other hand, for my hunting and camping use 1095 or 420HC are more than good enough. 3V is better and makes my life a bit easier, so I use it more often, but I would be quite content with 1095.

The point of my rant is that needs are complicated. It's easy to argue I don't need anything more than 1095 at work, but it would significantly slow me down and be much more frustrating than a highly wear resistant steel, so my desire for those is more than just want. Grey areas make things confusing and arguments about need tend to pretend those don't exist.

 

[Tachead01]

Or funny...hard to say.
Just woke up after a nice time passed out after a friend's wedding yesterday.

If they want to open my wedding present to them, they'll need to use a knife to defeat my signature wrapping method (which uses a wasteful amount of tape, cardboard, more tape, plastic wrap, more tape... ).

Nice, congrats to the bride and groom.

For me, being wasteful means I need more money, which means I have to work more, which means I have less time to enjoy life and do the things I want to do. I would rather be enjoying the things I like then working. That's why I have learned not to over buy for my needs. Ymmv.

 

[stabman]

Nice, congrats to the bride and groom.

For me, being wasteful means I need more money, which means I have to work more, which means I have less time to enjoy life and do the things I want to do. I would rather be enjoying the things I like then working. That's why I have learned not to over buy for my needs. Ymmv.

It was a nice wedding.
Nothing at all went wrong, which is rare in my experience.

I solved the need for more cash by not having kids.
Some people want kids...I wanted knives.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

It was mentioned how, in example, 3V can be brought thinner than 1095 for equal durability and so could be used to make knives like ESEEs better, and how many knives in higher end steels are not offered in geometries that actually highlight that steel's advantages. I would like to further point out that most knives of more mundane steels are not offered in geometries that highlight their performance either. The fact that people so commonly rave about Moras as being awesome slicers ought to tell you something. Scandi grinds are literally the worst slicing geometry you can have for a given stock thickness and edge angle, so if those are slicing so much better than what these users have experienced...and knives like Opinels and Douk-Douks will slice circles around most modern "tactical" knives despite being made from really quite basic steel. The stuff in Douk-Douks is really only equivalent to something like 1070.

Yup. Thin edges and good cutting geometry can be found in modern knives, but it's surprisingly rare. I find the Manix 2 XL does very well. The blade isn't overly thick and is very broad, so the grind is correspondingly high and gradual.