Cheaper knives are punching above thier weight?

[Insipid Moniker]

I solved that by not having kids.
Some people want kids...I wanted knives.

Good lord, yes. I'm not spamming up the countryside with little genetic copies of myself. More knives, indeed.

 

[Tachead01]

It was mentioned how, in example, 3V can be brought thinner than 1095 for equal durability and so could be used to make knives like ESEEs better, and how many knives in higher end steels are not offered in geometries that actually highlight that steel's advantages. I would like to further point out that most knives of more mundane steels are not offered in geometries that highlight their performance either. The fact that people so commonly rave about Moras as being awesome slicers ought to tell you something. Scandi grinds are literally the worst slicing geometry you can have for a given stock thickness and edge angle, so if those are slicing so much better than what these users have experienced...and knives like Opinels and Douk-Douks will slice circles around most modern "tactical" knives despite being made from really quite basic steel. The stuff in Douk-Douks is really only equivalent to something like 1070.

I have to agree. Geometry has more of an impact to cutting performance then blade steel. But, it is also important that the blade steel is compatible with the desired geometry.

 

[stabman]

Good lord, yes. I'm not spamming up the countryside with little genetic copies of myself. More knives, indeed.

I figure plenty of other people are having enough kids that I don't have to. :thumbup:
If it were 20000 years ago, I'd probably have to have some.

 

[Tachead01]

Cardboard absolutely destroys 1095. Just doesn't have the carbide content to keep up with the abrasive nature of the material. I could get by with 1095, but I could also get by without a knife at all, so that argument seems more than a little silly. You're a big fan of ESEE and that's all good, but if I tried to use 1095 at Hrc 55 for all my daily cutting tasks I would be sharpening multiple times per day. Fairly quickly, I would need to regrind the blade when the constant sharpening pushed the edge up into the primary grind. Do that a few times, and I need to toss the knife and get a new one as ESEE comes with relatively obtuse geometry to begin with and now I've made it significantly worse.

On the other hand, for my hunting and camping use 1095 or 420HC are more than good enough. 3V is better and makes my life a bit easier, so I use it more often, but I would be quite content with 1095.

The point of my rant is that needs are complicated. It's easy to argue I don't need anything more than 1095 at work, but it would significantly slow me down and be much more frustrating than a highly wear resistant steel, so my desire for those is more than just want. Grey areas make things confusing and arguments about need tend to pretend those don't exist.

I agree for the most part, buy for its intended use. However, a utility knife would be a better option for excessive cardboard cutting imo(from a financial standpoint especially). So would a number of other steels over 3V or 1095 which both don't have great wear resistance and are more known for their toughness.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I agree for the most part, buy for its intended use. However, a utility knife would be a better option for excessive cardboard cutting imo(from a financial standpoint especially). So would a number of other steels over 3V or 1095 which both don't have great wear resistance and are more known for their toughness.

3V nice and thin would do great. And cardboard dulls utility knives just as fast as it does 1095. I'd only replace sharpening with swapping out the razor. Not an improvement.

 

[craytab]

I was more joking then insinuating dude and I am glad you are happy

I didn't say I was happy. You have strange way of interpreting what others say.

On a side note, I don't know if It is good or bad that there aren't more stabbiess running around. Check that, "needed" or "wanted". I want tiny stabby babies running around but I don't know if they are needed....no, they are...

 

[stabman]

On a side note, I don't know if It is good or bad that there aren't more stabbiess running around. Check that, "needed" or "wanted". I want tiny stabby babies running around but I don't know if they are needed....no, they are...

I don't know if it's due to residual partying effects, but that made me laugh.

 

[Zemapeli]

Camillus Cuda 9" folding knife is a great knife for 30-50$. It holds a great edge, is durable, and has a great design. It makes a great EDC. I have two of them. One I carried for two years now, and has seen a lot of use and abuse.

9'' Carbonitride Titanium® Cuda® Folding Knife with Quick Release and G10 Handle
AUS-8 Japanese Steel / Carbonitride Titanium won't flake, blister, chip or peel and is up to 10x harder than untreated steel so the blades stay sharper, longer. Hollow ground blade. Quick-action blade release. Ergonomic G10 Fiber handle. Lifetime Warranty.
The best EDC IMHO would be a CRKT M16 14M.. But you wont get one for under 100$.. :thumbup:

 

[Tachead01]

3V nice and thin would do great. And cardboard dulls utility knives just as fast as it does 1095. I'd only replace sharpening with swapping out the razor. Not an improvement.

Sure would but, blade knife blades are like 100 for $20, where as 3V starts at around $100 for one. From a financial standpoint there is a clear winner. Also, there are better steel choices then 3V for cutting excessive amounts of cardboard. It is known most for its toughness, not it's wear resistance.

P. S. Why are you paying for your own blades at work? And, why are you cutting so much cardboard?

 

[Tachead01]

I didn't say I was happy. You have strange way of interpreting what others say.

On a side note, I don't know if It is good or bad that there aren't more stabbiess running around. Check that, "needed" or "wanted". I want tiny stabby babies running around but I don't know if they are needed....no, they are...

Enjoying comedy and happiness usually go hand in hand lol. Maybe I have been doing it wrong? Lol.

I don't exactly know how to answer that one other then suggesting you look into rehab or possibly asking what your taking so I can try it lol?

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Sure would but, blade knife blades are like 100 for $20, where as 3V starts at around $100 for one. From a financial standpoint there is a clear winner.

P. S. Why are you paying for your own blades at work? And, why are you cutting so much cardboard?

I own a business, so the boss buys all my knives for me. I cut cardboard because we get multiple shipments per day and have limited space to dispose of it. You're also discounting the sunk time it takes to sharpen or to swap blades. If I spend 5 or 10 minutes per day doing either, a blade with better wear resistance will pay for itself within a few months.

 

[craytab]

Sure would but, blade knife blades are like 100 for $20, where as 3V starts at around $100 for one. From a financial standpoint there is a clear winner.

P. S. Why are you paying for your own blades at work? And, why are you cutting so much cardboard?

You have clearly missed the point.

Enjoying comedy and happiness usually go hand in hand lol. Maybe I have been doing it wrong? Lol.

I don't exactly know how to answer that one other then suggesting you look into rehab or possibly asking what your taking so I can try it lol?

Not funny anymore. Calling me a drug addict and asking for drugs on the internet? What is wrong with you.


JK. But seriously stop using lol. It is stupid.

 

[Tachead01]

I own a business, so the boss buys all my knives for me. I cut cardboard because we get multiple shipments per day and have limited space to dispose of it. You're also discounting the sunk time it takes to sharpen or to swap blades. If I spend 5 or 10 minutes per day doing either, a blade with better wear resistance will pay for itself within a few months.

I see. I obviously don't know your exact circumstances but, might I suggest that getting a cardboard bin rental out back might be cheaper then expensive knives, sharpening, the labour involved, disposal time/fees, exc. And, afford you more space in your shop. All the shops I have worked at have had one. A super steel knife just doesn't strike me as the most efficient option but, that's up to you.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I see. I obviously don't know your exact circumstances but, might I suggest that getting a cardboard bin rental out back might be cheaper then expensive knives, sharpening, the labour involved, disposal time/fees, exc. And, afford you more space in your shop. All the shops I have worked at have had one. A super steel K if just doesn't strike me as the most efficient option.

That's a recursive cost, so the initial investment might be cheaper, but it will rapidly become much more expensive. Particularly when steels with much greater abrasion resistance than 3V are available for around $100.

 

[craytab]

I see. I obviously don't know your exact circumstances but, might I suggest that getting a cardboard bin rental out back might be cheaper then expensive knives, sharpening, the labour involved, disposal time/fees, exc. And, afford you more space in your shop. All the shops I have worked at have had one. A super steel knife just doesn't strike me as the most efficient option but, that's up to you.

Insipid. You are on your own here boss. Seems he is not getting why this is BFC.

 

[Tachead01]

You have clearly missed the point.



Not funny anymore. Calling me a drug addict and asking for drugs on the internet? What is wrong with you.


JK. But seriously stop using lol. It is stupid.

Lol I hope your just kidding man, it's hard to tell on here.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Insipid. You are on your own here boss. Seems he is not getting why this is BFC.

Oh, trust me, I'm more than a bit amused at this, but I'll happily play along.

 

[Tachead01]

That's a recursive cost, so the initial investment might be cheaper, but it will rapidly become much more expensive. Particularly when steels with much greater abrasion resistance than 3V are available for around $100.

Sharpening takes time and time is money but, to each their own.

There is probably a reason why almost every business has a cardboard bin behind it. I'm guessing it's because cutting up cardboard with a several hundred dollar super steel knife is not the most efficient way. Or, maybe it's because most normal people are not looking for a reason to use their new knife.

Anyway, I am bored with this topic. Good day.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Sharpening takes time and time is money but, to each their own.

True, but it doesn't take me any longer to sharpen S110V than it does 420HC. In some cases it goes quicker because the S110V won't form a big, floppy burr.

The extra abrasion resistance also allows me to sharpen at my own leisure. I can pull out my stones and listen to music or watch TV and relax while I touch up the edge. If the steel is going dull while I'm working, that's not an option.

 

[Boris74]

Glad I went fishing. Didn't catch a thing, not even a bite.

All I learned (already knew really) was my belt knife at just under 4" of cutting length splits all the wood I need for a fire. That thick slab of 5160 feathers as good as any puukko I have but is tougher behind the edge. So that soft common man steel keeps its edge longer on the hard woods I must deal with. Does anyone make a puukko in 3V? I'm not talking almost like a puukko, I want a for real puukko. Now that I may consider, but it's getting returned if it chips rolls or bends on me, and I'll blame y'all