Chinese Shirogorov clone

Esav Benyamin said:
This topic is contentious enough, without personal insults. Knock it off or I will hand out infractions and may decide to close the thread, as well. It's not like we never argued this topic before.
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The entire purpose of certain parties its to specifically manipulate the system into closing threads they don't like . I don't notice that those individuals get brought to task too often . I always try to be as polite and level headed as possible . But I don't enjoy being mobbed and personally attacked . I detect a pattern here . Do you approve of this behavior ? By closing the thread every time you simply play into the hands of bullies .
 
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What? You don't like the way I moderate? I don't like the way you sneer at other members. You are in no position to lecture me. If you really want to question my decisions, take it to Tech Support.

Now get back on topic.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
What? You don't like the way I moderate? I don't like the way you sneer at other members. You are in no position to lecture me. If you really want to question my decisions, take it to Tech Support.

Now get back on topic.
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I don't even know how to do that and what good would it do anyway if it's all fixed ? If you carefully look at my postings the sneering comes after being attacked . But why bother yourself ?
 
DocJD said:
I don't even know how to do that and what good would it do anyway if it's all fixed ? If you carefully look at my postings the sneering comes after being attacked . But why bother yourself ?
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Posterity.
 
DocJD said:
The entire purpose of certain parties its to specifically manipulate the system into closing threads they don't like . I don't notice that those individuals get brought to task too often . I always try to be as polite and level headed as possible . But I don't enjoy being mobbed and personally attacked . I detect a pattern here . Do you approve of this behavior ? By closing the thread every time you simply play into the hands of bullies .
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Posterity.
 
craytab said:
I'm not sure about you specific enquiry. That is not what this thread is about. Maybe ask a moderator :thumbup:

On topic. It is my understanding of the rules that you cannot sell a shirogorov counterfeit here and that supporting the counterfeit industry hurts this hobby.
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To clarify: there are a million-and-one knives by as many mfgrs. that look exactly like the Buck 110.
That means a million are homages and the "-and-one" is the real deal.
Given that, no knife that looks like the 110 should be sold in the exchange.
 
robgmn said:
To clarify: there are a million-and-one knives by as many mfgrs. that look exactly like the Buck 110.
That means a million are homages and the "-and-one" is the real deal.
Given that, no knife that looks like the 110 should be sold in the exchange.
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A million and one? I'm going to call you on the fact that there isn't a million different clones of the 110. Prove that in another thread. This thread is about a "Chinese Shirogorov clone".
 
craytab said:
A million and one? I'm going to call you on the fact that there isn't a million different clones of the 110. Prove that in another thread. This thread is about a "Chinese Shirogorov clone".
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I didn't see where your quote of the rules specified "Chinese Shirogorov homages" or clones, thus my comment regarding other knives that are homages.

My "million-and-one" statement was (obvious to some) hyperbole. I apologize I didn't give you the exact count of mfgrs. that make the homage of the knife, but some are: Buck, Schrade, Puma, Bear & Son, Case, Kershaw, Old Timer, Uncle Henry, Gerber, Ka-Bar, Sheffield, Grohmann, Cold Steel, Benchmade.
Not sure which one is the original and which ones are the homage, but there can only be one original, right?
Therefore, the rule you shared should apply to one of the brands and homages, or to none.
 
craytab said:
A million and one? I'm going to call you on the fact that there isn't a million different clones of the 110. Prove that in another thread. This thread is about a "Chinese Shirogorov clone".
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Crabby - slither back to Whiney Chezz-it from which thou hast arisen - thy foulness has been revealed . Your game is blown !
 
robgmn said:
I didn't see where your quote of the rules specified "Chinese Shirogorov homages" or clones, thus my comment regarding other knives that are homages.
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Is it not clear what thread we are in? What is the subject of this thread?

DocJD said:
Crabby - slither back to Whiney Chezz-it from which thou hast arisen - thy foulness has been revealed . Your game is blown !
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More of the person insults and name calling. Nice.....
 
craytab said:
Is it not clear what thread we are in? What is the subject of this thread?



More of the person insults and name calling. Nice.....
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You are revealed ! Your game is blown ! You are laughing up your sleeve and chortling . You are a creature of whine and cheezit pretending to be moral and innocent . NO one is fooled any longer .
 
craytab said:
Is it not clear what thread we are in? What is the subject of this thread?

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We are definitely in a thread about a Shorogorov knife, but you brought a rule into the discussion that does not cover the Shirogorov explicitly (while complaining I wasn't discussing the Shirogorov explicitly).

When I discuss/argue/debate in a "real" thread like this one (I don't consider W&C to be "real" threads, regardless that you spend the majority of your time there namecalling), I do not resort to namecalling or obfuscation. I stick to facts. Calling someone stupid or another pejorative is meaningless and merely illustrates the accuser's own shortcomings. Pointing out when someone presents and supports false info (or similar circumstances) is a far better "insult" than any name you could think of.

If you want to decry an homage as "bad", then you should stick to that idea and back it to the very end. None of this "this homage is bad, but that one is OK" based on subjective reasoning. Aside from the BearPaw, The HK with the Spyderco hole is a great example.
If one homage is "bad", then all homages must be bad, or NONE are.
 
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Varyag said:
So its not a clone of the Delica then?

And if we're going to drag out more dirty laundry, what about BM's blatant "borrowing" of the Spydie hole?

Or SOG SP-24, basically an Endura clone with a few differences.


As a customer I personally don't care who stole what from whom, the sole purpose of the argument is to show how hypocritical the stance against clones is if you have at least one knife from almost any of the big US brands.
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Remember that we the consumer are not always privy to whatever agreements might have been made between companies. BM might very well have a deal to use the "Spydie hole".

And if not, it is possible that the hole is not patented (or even patentABLE) or even copyrighted.

If I came across a product I thought was illegally copied and was concerned about it, I'd simply notify the "owner" and let them decide if its worth pursuing any action against the other party.

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Ronin_Jedi said:
Remember that we the consumer are not always privy to whatever agreements might have been made between companies. BM might very well have a deal to use the "Spydie hole".

And if not, it is possible that the hole is not patented (or even patentABLE) or even copyrighted.

If I came across a product I thought was illegally copied and was concerned about it, I'd simply notify the "owner" and let them decide if its worth pursuing any action against the other party.

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They didn't have a deal and there were flamewars galore over it on Spyderco forums. I believe they started when BM Vex showed up. I also believe that Spyderco would likely lose in court so they opted to sort it out with BM behind the scenes.

That said, the whole notion that Spyderco should be able to monopolize a hole in a blade is about as absurd as Benchmade's death grip on the axis lock. Successful designs have always been copied and used - utility and profit dictate this, not what someone passed as law somewhere. The first to break these rules at every opportunity are the companies themselves - therefore frothing over what the Chinese are doing is akin to the thief complaining that he got robbed.

On a side note, the Chinese were making swords and knives for a few thousand years before America was discovered - good thing they didn't have patent laws then, otherwise we'd all be paying them royalties today.
 
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Not absurd at all.
It actually promotes creativity by making it worthwhile for someone to spend the time to create, by profiting from their creation.
The key is that they don't own it in perpetuity.
 
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