Choil worries..bad design or for some reason?

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Anyone else worry or have at least thoughts of choils like on the Bark River III? MANY have a similar set-up.
http://www.barkriverknives.com/index/series/search-rescue-2/bravo-3/
I have had my finger touch the edge on other knives ( near blade) and get cut a few times. One I can think of, cut me 2x in 1 day from normal use.
I have an average size hand. Im a big person, heck...1/2 bigfoot.I hold plenty tight.I dont "sissy grip" it.
One tiny slip and so much damage.

Somthing like this is SO much better and safer !
http://www.whiteriverknives.com/collections/backpacker/products/backpacker-orange

So I am curious. ( I do not make knives) It seems like very little cost and effort to make a safer design.
Perhaps do not sharpen the blade to a point next to the choil U shape groove.

Great, big forums like this have a zillion posts, odd that nobody else talks about this.
 
You're using the blade wrong.

Maybe a join the scouts or some similar organization. They'll teach safe knife handling.

Walk before your run as they say.
 
I found out recently on an S!K 5.1 that the razor sharp edge just in front of the choil will bite you. I now understand why some folks hate 'em. I think it helps if the cutting edge is well below the ricasso if you have a full finger choil.

In the WRK link you posted, that knife - even with the deep front finger recess - only allows for one grip position. It is not a choil, for choking up, per se. My only recommendation is not to take a full fisted grip with your finger wrapped all the way past the second knuckle in the choil, thumb over the fingertip. If you need that much leverage, you should be using the whole handle. Instead, "pinch" the knife with the tip of your finger and your thumb on the spine.

Probably no need to join the scouts, though.
 
Nah, the bolster free choil gives maximum control and freedom with different hand grip options.

its the "user" that makes a "safe" knife
 
Marine E7 said:
Anyone else worry or have at least thoughts of choils like on the Bark River III? MANY have a similar set-up.
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I have had my finger touch the edge on other knives ( near blade) and get cut a few times. One I can think of, cut me 2x in 1 day from normal use.
I have an average size hand. Im a big person, heck...1/2 bigfoot.I hold plenty tight.I dont "sissy grip" it.
One tiny slip and so much damage.

Somthing like this is SO much better and safer !
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So I am curious. ( I do not make knives) It seems like very little cost and effort to make a safer design.
Perhaps do not sharpen the blade to a point next to the choil U shape groove.

Great, big forums like this have a zillion posts, odd that nobody else talks about this.
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Part of the point of even having the choil is that you can sharpen the blade all the way to its end.

It doesn't strike me as odd that nobody talks about your issue....since I have never heard of anyone ever having it. Clearly your "manly grip" is bad technique. Guess the rest of us who don't have a problem are sissies. :D
 
I have plenty of knives with this type of finger "choil". I've never had this issue. Guess my hands aren't manly enough to get cut using my own knife. As suggested above you might want to seek some training on the proper use of such a knife or avoid the design.
 
craytab said:
I have plenty of knives with this type of finger "choil". I've never had this issue. Guess my hands aren't manly enough to get cut using my own knife. As suggested above you might want to seek some training on the proper use of such a knife or avoid the design.
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I guess if you want the obvious solution. :D

But, yeah...there are, I believe, several knives that do not have a finger choil. Get one of those and ...boom...you are in business.
 
I can understand your concern. I've worried about cutting myself on similar choils, but in all honesty, it has never been a problem. Most choils have a steep enough curve to keep your finger safely back when gripping in that area. Looks like that Bark River shouldn't be a problem to me.
 
Though, I cant help but wonder why this is happening to you and what about your technique is causing it.

Do you, Marine E7, feel it is because of your size, or is it something about the way you learned to use a knife. Were you trained in knife use at any point? Not necessarily Boy Scouts, but some other organization?

Possibly similarly-trained members are having the same problem.

I mean, it is happening to you and it would only make sense to try to figure out why.
 
Better post a picture of your grip then.

Better safe than sorry is the motto of GD.
 
I found out recently on an S!K 5.1 that the razor sharp edge just in front of the choil will bite you


Now you have heard of it again
 
Obviously not if you continue to cut yourself consider something with a guard.
 
Marine E7 said:
I found out recently on an S!K 5.1 that the razor sharp edge just in front of the choil will bite you


Now you have heard of it again
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I'm not familiar with that brand. Is it from a video game? I hear The Division is really popular.
 
The finger choil doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either. It weakens the blade compared to a finger slot in the ricasso and is more likely to cut you.

I guess it just comes down to whether whatever you're doing with the knife isn't going to work nearly as well if you index finger is 3/16" from the edge rather than right next to it. I personally haven't encountered that situation where I wish I could get that much closer to the edge. Maybe someone else can comment on why it is advantageous to them.



S!K is the common abbreviation for Survive! Knives.
 
Normally knives that have a guard AND a choil afterwards dont have a second guard for extra safety.

Normaly you're supposed to use the knife by the handle when whacking it and if you need more precission you choke up, which again, normally does not require excessive force or pressure as for you to cut yourself.

Having said that, it's true that many knives have a choil a tad too small that can tend to cut your finger. Other knives have a nice detai which is that the small portion that is next to the choil is blunt.
 
RX-79G said:
The finger choil doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either. It weakens the blade compared to a finger slot in the ricasso and is more likely to cut you.

I guess it just comes down to whether whatever you're doing with the knife isn't going to work nearly as well if you index finger is 3/16" from the edge rather than right next to it. I personally haven't encountered that situation where I wish I could get that much closer to the edge. Maybe someone else can comment on why it is advantageous to them.



S!K is the common abbreviation for Survive! Knives.
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So you can choke up on your grip for more control.
 
Or, you could buy any knife you want and just file down the back portion of the blade that your worried about biting you...

I've been bit as well...

Guess I have no idea how to use a knife either, judging by the comments at least. Maybe I should switch to carrying a spoon, much harder to hurt myself and I'll just aim for the eyes...
 
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