Choil worries..bad design or for some reason?

[BladeScout]

Anyone else worry or have at least thoughts of choils like on the Bark River III? MANY have a similar set-up.
http://www.barkriverknives.com/index/series/search-rescue-2/bravo-3/
I have had my finger touch the edge on other knives ( near blade) and get cut a few times. One I can think of, cut me 2x in 1 day from normal use.
I have an average size hand. Im a big person, heck...1/2 bigfoot.I hold plenty tight.I dont "sissy grip" it.
One tiny slip and so much damage.

Somthing like this is SO much better and safer !
http://www.whiteriverknives.com/collections/backpacker/products/backpacker-orange

So I am curious. ( I do not make knives) It seems like very little cost and effort to make a safer design.
Perhaps do not sharpen the blade to a point next to the choil U shape groove.

Great, big forums like this have a zillion posts, odd that nobody else talks about this.

As you seem to having problems with the knife and as you cut yourself, maybe give some consideration to purchasing the LT. Wright H.E.R.O knife (Helping Everyone Reach the Outdoors).

You would be strapped into the knife so to speak and this would cut down on knife related accidents (no pun intended).

Maybe also look into some knife handling classes and learn the basics.

 

[Czechmate]

I don't like choils. They are uncomfortable to use.

they are pointless IMHO. I'd rather select a knife that is the right length for my needs, slap a comfortable handle onto it, and then depending on if it needs to handle thrusting force put a guard on it.

I agree. :thumbup:


Choils are a relatively modern addition to knives that have become an infatuation for some people as being a necessity.

They don't really make much sense IMHO as all they really do on a folder/fixed blade is reduce usable edge length. YMMV.

 

[DeadboxHero]

I'm not personally a fan of finger choils on small knives but it has some merit to a big, long blade like the Bravo 3

 

[sodak]

I find choils very useful on smaller to medium sized knives. I don't like them on larger knives. I tend to use a pinch grip the vast majority of the time that I'm using a knife for close in work, and the choil allows me to get my fingers right up next to the blade, which I find the most comfortable hold. I also have an elbow injury that makes handling a wide blade for detailed work very uncomfortable. The choil narrows things for my grip, and is much more comfortable for me.

For some reason, there are always very strong opinions on this, I've never really understood it. There are plenty of choices out there for people to decide.

YMMV.

 

[RX-79G]

That's why Spyderco PM 2 has a reverse choil with jimmping added so when you choke up on the knife for more control of the tip for finer work.

That isn't a choil. It's a grooved ricasso, which prevents you getting cut the way a finger choil would. This design makes sense to me because your finger isn't inside the plunge.

This is a big knife where you can also put your index finger right next to the edge for fine work. You just don't have to put it on part of the primary bevel.

Everybody can pick whatever kind of knife they want, but if the question is "is the finger choil the only way to get your index finger really close to the edge" the answer is "no". Finger grooves adjacent to the plunge and Scandi style handles do the same thing.

 

[Marine E7]

So I am looking at the knife that bit me twice.
It seems on this forms many just like to troll, others are so brand loyal they will just say bad things about any other brand.
I am not into drama.

As a few have ALSO had this happen, it is not just me. I would bet this is quite common.in 10 mins 3-4 people said it happened to them.
I would bet that most that never got cut by a knife are the guys that do table-top reviews and care only about cutting paper.
People that actually use tools ( knife in this case) get cut now and again.
Of 7 bazillion times using a knife I have been bit 3-4 times.

That said,
The knife that recently got me twice is a small batch, high end,high $ type.
I do not want to bash the MFG,nor will I.

I googled many knives and looked at choil size and shape.
On the knife I am talking about, the choil is maybe 1/2 the size and ......oddly shaped ( to me).
Perhaps it is a bad / wrong design.

I just contacted the MFG about this.

 

[RX-79G]

I find choils very useful on smaller to medium sized knives. I don't like them on larger knives. I tend to use a pinch grip the vast majority of the time that I'm using a knife for close in work, and the choil allows me to get my fingers right up next to the blade, which I find the most comfortable hold. I also have an elbow injury that makes handling a wide blade for detailed work very uncomfortable. The choil narrows things for my grip, and is much more comfortable for me.

For some reason, there are always very strong opinions on this, I've never really understood it. There are plenty of choices out there for people to decide.

YMMV.

Part of the "strong opinion" thing is that the people for finger choils don't agree with what they even are. And then there's the insistance that you can't get close to the blade without one. I don't think anyone cares what you do with your knife, but I don't understand when people say someone "doesn't know what they're doing" when something as obviously pointy as a finger choil cuts them. Some people get cut because of the way their hands are made, not because they are the idiots implied by some of these posts.

Finger grooved ricasso:

Finger choil:

 

[Morrow]

So I am looking at the knife that bit me twice.
It seems on this forms many just like to troll, others are so brand loyal they will just say bad things about any other brand.
I am not into drama.

As a few have ALSO had this happen, it is not just me. I would bet this is quite common.in 10 mins 3-4 people said it happened to them.
I would bet that most that never got cut by a knife are the guys that do table-top reviews and care only about cutting paper.
People that actually use tools ( knife in this case) get cut now and again.
Of 7 bazillion times using a knife I have been bit 3-4 times.

That said,
The knife that recently got me twice is a small batch, high end,high $ type.
I do not want to bash the MFG,nor will I.

I googled many knives and looked at choil size and shape.
On the knife I am talking about, the choil is maybe 1/2 the size and ......oddly shaped ( to me).
Perhaps it is a bad / wrong design.

I just contacted the MFG about this.

Do not stir the pot or try to drag your own thread off topic or I'll simply close it. Report posts and let the mods deal with it.

 

[Shotgun]

It gives a neutral balance on large, blade heavy knives. It keeps the hand fatigue down.

On folders it's a safety feature. It keeps the blade from closing on your fingers.

On small knives it's a design flaw IMO.

 

[craytab]

Everybody can pick whatever kind of knife they want, but if the question is "is the finger choil the only way to get your index finger really close to the edge" the answer is "no". Finger grooves adjacent to the plunge and Scandi style handles do the same thing.

That is not the question in the OP at all.

So I am looking at the knife that bit me twice.
It seems on this forms many just like to troll, others are so brand loyal they will just say bad things about any other brand.
I am not into drama.

As a few have ALSO had this happen, it is not just me. I would bet this is quite common.in 10 mins 3-4 people said it happened to them.
I would bet that most that never got cut by a knife are the guys that do table-top reviews and care only about cutting paper.
People that actually use tools ( knife in this case) get cut now and again.
Of 7 bazillion times using a knife I have been bit 3-4 times.

That said,
The knife that recently got me twice is a small batch, high end,high $ type.
I do not want to bash the MFG,nor will I.

I googled many knives and looked at choil size and shape.
On the knife I am talking about, the choil is maybe 1/2 the size and ......oddly shaped ( to me).
Perhaps it is a bad / wrong design.

I just contacted the MFG about this.

Sigh.....

Look. You are not helping the discussion of your problem. You won't even answer basic questions about it like what knife, what were you doing, how often does it happen, can you provide pictures of your grip?

Now you are going to tell all of us we don't use our knives? That won't get you very far here I'm afraid. I'm done until you can answer some questions and not be insulting.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

post a picture of the knife in question and in hand pics.

 

[shinyedges]

I also would like to see some in hand pictures of the knife and grip. Would be helpful in figuring out why he keeps cutting himself.

post a picture of the knife in question and in hand pics.

 

[CapitalizedLiving]

A giant divot in the base of your blade won't protect you from your own brain. You are your own worst enemy, as some cartoon probably once said.

 

[RX-79G]

That is not the question in the OP at all.



Sigh.....

Look. You are not helping the discussion of your problem. You won't even answer basic questions about it like what knife, what were you doing, how often does it happen, can you provide pictures of your grip?

Now you are going to tell all of us we don't use our knives? That won't get you very far here I'm afraid. I'm done until you can answer some questions and not be insulting.

The OP asked if it was a bad design or done for some reason. The reason is to get close to the edge, and since there are other ways to do exactly the same thing (what I've been posting about), you can draw your own conclusions about the way that cuts people being a good or bad design.


As far as E7 being "insulting", have you read some of the responses on this thread? "You don't know how to use a knife", "Is that a video game?" C'mon.

 

[shinyedges]

If someone keeps cutting themselves with a knife maybe they don't know how to use a knife properly. Is that a stretch to say?

Some good on topic advice is to learn how to use and hold the knife so as not to continue cutting ones self.

The OP asked if it was a bad design or done for some reason. The reason is to get close to the edge, and since there are other ways to do exactly the same thing (what I've been posting about), you can draw your own conclusions about the way that cuts people being a good or bad design.


As far as E7 being "insulting", have you read some of the responses on this thread? "You don't know how to use a knife", "Is that a video game?" C'mon.

 

[22-rimfire]

Just pet the fella now and then and make friends with it so it doesn't bite you.

For using fixed blades, I like the Blackjack classics like the 1-7 pictured in Legion 12's post (#18). Many people are turned off by the "wasted blade" length.

 

[LEGION 12]

The OP asked if it was a bad design or done for some reason. The reason is to get close to the edge, and since there are other ways to do exactly the same thing (what I've been posting about), you can draw your own conclusions about the way that cuts people being a good or bad design.


As far as E7 being "insulting", have you read some of the responses on this thread? "You don't know how to use a knife", "Is that a video game?" C'mon.

But if you continue to cut yourself with the same blade repeatedly you are doing something wrong I don't see how you can blame the knife the design or the Mfg.

 

[22-rimfire]

A customer blamed McDonald's for having coffee that was too hot. Everyone knows coffee is supposed to be hot unless you like cold coffee.

 

[RX-79G]

But if you continue to cut yourself with the same blade repeatedly you are doing something wrong I don't see how you can blame the knife the design or the Mfg.

I guess you can only blame them the first time. Or first two?

 

[PURPLEDC]

Part of the point of even having the choil is that you can sharpen the blade all the way to its end.

It doesn't strike me as odd that nobody talks about your issue....since I have never heard of anyone ever having it. Clearly your "manly grip" is bad technique. Guess the rest of us who don't have a problem are sissies.

Well im no marine but like you I dont seem to have a problem.