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[Hard H2O]

Who on here would take a 3-400$ blade and put it thru extreme use to see if the claims of the maker stand up to reality ?

Which maker claims you can beat on their blade wth a hammer and will not fail? Which maker includes noss type tests in their warranty?

Most warranties guarantee against normal use and issuses in manufacturing and faulty materials.

 

[Tostig]

Which maker claims you can beat on their blade wth a hammer and will not fail? Which maker includes noss type tests in their warranty?

Most warranties guarantee against normal use and issuses in manufacturing and faulty materials.

Perhaps claims was not the correct word.


If one is paying over 300 for a "SHTF-EOTWAWKI" knife , one would come to the conclusion it is one HELL of a tank , no ?


At any rate it seems as in the past.. Noss has his fans , his 'haters' and those in the middle who could care less.

 

[jesseaction]

oops, see below...

 

[jesseaction]

Which maker claims you can beat on their blade wth a hammer and will not fail? Which maker includes noss type tests in their warranty?

Most warranties guarantee against normal use and issuses in manufacturing and faulty materials.

Actually, RAT Cutlery and Busse at least say that you can do whatever you want to their blades and if they break, send em back, no questions. I've only seen one of his vids, but I'm interested to know which knives can truly take abuse, above and beyond the normal call of duty. If you take a survival knife with you into the woods, there is a chance your survival will depend on it, and then you want to have one that is very multifunctional and absolutely reliable, no matter what. Of course, there are a lot of other reasons to own and enjoy knives.. too many, in fact.

 

[Hawkings]

Which maker claims you can beat on their blade wth a hammer and will not fail? Which maker includes noss type tests in their warranty?

Most warranties guarantee against normal use and issuses in manufacturing and faulty materials.

The blade from the test were covered by warranty.

And I have heard the term "Tough as nails" used to describe the CR blades more then once. You hit nails with a hammer, don't you ?

 

[Mack]

The blade from the test were covered by warranty.

And I have heard the term "Tough as nails" used to describe the CR blades more then once. You hit nails with a hammer, don't you ?

Yes you do hit nails with a hammer. On the head to drive it into a material such as wood. If you hit a nail on the side or try to drive it into steel how does the nail hold up?

 

[Hard H2O]

The blade from the test were covered by warranty.

And I have heard the term "Tough as nails" used to describe the CR blades more then once. You hit nails with a hammer, don't you ?

Try to sharpen a nail and have it keep its edge as you gut and skin a deer.

 

[C.S. Graves]

If you hit a nail on the side or try to drive it into steel how does the nail hold up?

About as well as an analogy that is put through its paces.

 

[mielton]

I really dont think hammering a knife is same thing as bottoning, nor is it reasonable to try destroy a knife to a level where it's just showing works that people wouldnt go. But it does show how hard the knife you could use up to.

 

[sleevefullofaces]

I usually bring too much gear. I get some grief for it. Who do you think they come running to when they need something?

A fixed blade, hatchet, folder and multitool will do nicely thanks.

If you want to carry that stuff that's cool with me. I have never needed a folder or hatchet while camping. I don't carry what I don't need.

 

[tjsulli790]

The tests can be entertaining even if they do put the knife through tasks that aren't very "real life". I don't think I'll put much merit behind the results when I set out to purchase a new knife but it is interesting to see just what their limits are.

 

[knarfeng]

I know that Noss would rather have a dull knife than a broken knife.

I'd rather have a knife that cuts like a knife than a knife that pries like a pry-bar.

YMMV.

 

[hardheart]

any of you guys see the other tests where the knives didn't break when used on wood? or maybe the one where the $13 Old Hickory kitchen knife was beat through wood, with the 3 lb hammer, for an hour... and didn't break?

idiotic use? maybe. but a hell of a lot of knives survived the early levels of idiotic use.

 

[Planterz]

any of you guys see the other tests where the knives didn't break when used on wood? or maybe the one where the $13 Old Hickory kitchen knife was beat through wood, with the 3 lb hammer, for an hour... and didn't break?

idiotic use? maybe. but a hell of a lot of knives survived the early levels of idiotic use.

A boxer can beat on a heavy bag for hours without breaking his hand, but all it takes is one swing where he doesn't punch the bag just right and he breaks his 5th metacarpal.

Hitting any knife with a 3lb hammer is extremely idiotic. And just because a certain knife survived one idiot's test doesn't mean that it'll hold up again, or under some other idiot's test, or that it'll ever not be idiotic.

Hitting a knife on the spine with a 3lb hammer makes as much sense as chopping through a cinder block ala Cliff Stamp.

 

[noss4]

I know that Noss would rather have a dull knife than a broken knife.

I'd rather have a knife that cuts like a knife than a knife that pries like a pry-bar.

YMMV.

Yes because a dull knife can be sharpened a broken knife can't. Many knives that survive most of the tests can be resharpened and put back into service. They won't look pretty but they can still be used as a knife. And sharpened pry bars cut. The idea that one can't be used to cut things like rope and cardboard is nonsense. Sometimes it just takes a little work on the factory edge is all.

 

[enderwiggin]

For laptops they call it a drop test, it involves no hammer, and determines toughness

So you're saying a stress test under controlled conditions is a better way to test the durability of consumer goods than beating on them with a hammer until they break?

 

[babakanoosh45]

Perhaps claims was not the correct word.


If one is paying over 300 for a "SHTF-EOTWAWKI" knife , one would come to the conclusion it is one HELL of a tank , no ?


At any rate it seems as in the past.. Noss has his fans , his 'haters' and those in the middle who could care less.

That would me! I look at his test as entertainment and nothing more. I have never treated a hammer as bad as he treats a knife.

 

[Hard H2O]

If you want to carry that stuff that's cool with me. I have never needed a folder or hatchet while camping. I don't carry what I don't need.

It is funny to see the guys carrying a minimal amount of gear come running when they need something.

 

[Madnumforce]

Plus, remember that you judge a knife's blade first and foremost for its cutting and edge holding capabilities, which requires hardness.
Those tests were mostly focused on toughness, which is the ability of a tool to withstand impact and torsion. To do that, the steel needs to be "softer", more flexible. As a consequence, it will not cut as well as a harder, more "brittle" steel, nor will the edge last as long.
Hence the comments above about the need for distinct tools.

And do you really need to shave with a camp knive, after having made hundreds of cuts through wood? Or even with a folder? We, knives users, don't really need edge retention. Edge retention is for tools, drills, etc involved in high capacities production processes, or for dies that have to be used hundreds of thousands times. Not for knives. As you say, hardness means brittleness, and very expansive high speed tool steels are precisly designed to be both hard, tough, and with great edge retention. We don't really need this. Simple carbon steels have proven to be both tough, having and keeping a good edge, and to be cheap. And what's the deal if twice in your trip, you have to take your sharpening stone and hone your knife? Are you too busy to do that, or is this tiny diamond stone too heavy to be taken in your backpack? For a camp knife, toughness is lot more important than edge holding. And for a pocket knife, folder or fixed whatever, good edge, even razor edge, can be obtained with cheap and simple well heat-treated and well ground carbon steel.

Anyone thinking it's stupid to pound a knife spine with a steel mallet just to test how tough it is, to be logical you also should avoid powder metallurgy steels and such, as their capabilities is far above what is strictly needed.

 

[pvicenzi]

It's just doesn't make sense to use even a $50 dollar knife to do what a $10 hatchet will do better.