Chris Reeve's no-flick policy

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Are these problems you described, are they with CRK's?
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No, unfortunately I don't own any CRK knives (but this thread is making me think about the Umnumzaan a lot). Most of my experience was with the Spyderco Military (liner-locks in particular). Today I used a digital caliper and measured the distance between the lockbar and scale on my JYD II when flicked and opened slowly, the lockbar moves in about a tenth of a millimeter more when I open the knife slowly. My bet is that when you flick it, the blade bounces off the stop pin and then bumps the lock-bar before it can seat itself fully. I guess whether or not this would cause less or more wear is debatable (and any difference is probably negligible). On the other hand the Hossom Retribution lock-bar moves in a few hundredths of a millimeter less when opened slowly (Edit: in other words, it always engages further with a flick). That knife has a really steep angle on the tang though, so I guess that means results will vary by knife.
 
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Joshua J. said:
No, unfortunately I don't own any CRK knives (but this thread is making me think about the Umnumzaan a lot).
Most of my experience was with the Spyderco Military (liner-locks in particular).
Today I used a digital caliper and measured the distance between the lockbar and scale on my JYD II when flicked and opened slowly, the lockbar moves in about a tenth of a millimeter more when I open the knife slowly. My bet is that when you flick it, the blade bounces off the stop pin and then bumps the lock-bar before it can seat itself fully. I guess whether or not this would cause less or more wear is debatable (and any difference is probably negligible).
On the other hand the Hossom Retribution lock-bar moves in a few hundredths of a millimeter less when opened slowly. That knife has a really steep angle on the tang though, so I guess that means results will vary by knife.
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I like my Umnum(arrived yesterday). Hard for me to actually get it out of box, as I haven't decided if I can(Not want to) sell it for other things. Worth trying it at least once though.
 
I would guess that you're right. I know that when I give large Griptillians a heavy wrist flick the Axis lock bar seats much further on the tang than when opened with a normal thumb flick.

Joshua J. said:
No, unfortunately I don't own any CRK knives (but this thread is making me think about the Umnumzaan a lot).
Most of my experience was with the Spyderco Military (liner-locks in particular).
Today I used a digital caliper and measured the distance between the lockbar and scale on my JYD II when flicked and opened slowly, the lockbar moves in about a tenth of a millimeter more when I open the knife slowly. My bet is that when you flick it, the blade bounces off the stop pin and then bumps the lock-bar before it can seat itself fully. I guess whether or not this would cause less or more wear is debatable (and any difference is probably negligible).
On the other hand the Hossom Retribution lock-bar moves in a few hundredths of a millimeter less when opened slowly. That knife has a really steep angle on the tang though, so I guess that means results will vary by knife.
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Voiding a warranty because a customer prefers to open a knife with relatively minimal additional force is ridiculous.

Perhaps I have herculean thumbs, but a strong thumbstud deployment on a knife creates similar force when compared to a sharp wrist flick. I do not flick knives often, but have been known to flick them HARD if a fast deployment is needed. With that said, I flick the living hell out of my Benchmade 810 Contego (a knife that retails for 1/3 the price of a new Sebbie) because it opens better with a strong flick.

Opening a knife with your hands, regardless of how it is done, during the regular course of use should never be considered abuse. Honestly, I've always been hesitant to drop $400-$500 on a CRK when I could purchase a Benchmade or Spydie for 1/3 the price, flick them all day, enjoy better blade steels, and not worry about either company acting squirrelly when I send the blade in for work.
 
Oakengroves said:
Voiding a warranty because a customer prefers to open a knife with relatively minimal additional force is ridiculous.

Perhaps I have herculean thumbs, but a strong thumbstud deployment on a knife creates similar force when compared to a sharp wrist flick. I do not flick knives often, but have been known to flick them HARD if a fast deployment is needed. With that said, I flick the living hell out of my Benchmade 810 Contego (a knife that retails for 1/3 the price of a new Sebbie) because it opens better with a strong flick.

Opening a knife with your hands, regardless of how it is done, during the regular course of use should never be considered abuse. Honestly, I've always been hesitant to drop $400-$500 on a CRK when I could purchase a Benchmade or Spydie for 1/3 the price, flick them all day, enjoy better blade steels, and not worry about either company acting squirrelly when I send the blade in for work.
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I agree, i think if you want to flick a knife you should be able to flick a knife, I cant imagine it wearing the knife anymore then when you hardly snap open a knife with a wave feature.
 
I guess this is not the place to recommend a $500 slipjoint that can't be flicked or opened one handadly for the uber fast deployment.... :)

Kidding aside, post 36 covers it.

I don't care if my knife has a linerframecompressiontriadaxisbacklock (pat pending) if you are going to do a windmill of a wrist action flip with my knife I am going to give you a wrist flip against the back of your head.

If it is your knife, do as you want.

Remember 'a slap in the face is an insult, a slap against the back of the head is a wake up call' L.J Gibbs.
 
While some may not like the official stance of CRK with regards to flicking, I understand it. I think that some people who use the analogy of "I flick my sub $400 knife all the time with no issues" to describe their issue with CRK's flicking stance should understand that the very act of disassembling their sub $400 knife will VOID their warranty. I love owning knives that are designed to be taken apart, cleaned, and tuned by the user.
 
TotinCh1p said:
While some may not like the official stance of CRK with regards to flicking, I understand it. I think that some people who use the analogy of "I flick my sub $400 knife all the time with no issues" to describe their issue with CRK's flicking stance should understand that the very act of disassembling their sub $400 knife will VOID their warranty. I love owning knives that are designed to be taken apart, cleaned, and tuned by the user.
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im not sure his policy on flicking and what we all think flicking is are the same thing either. I can flick 95% of one handed opening knives open with just a push of the thumb no wrist slinging. Is that still against his policy?
 
TotinCh1p said:
While some may not like the official stance of CRK with regards to flicking, I understand it. I think that some people who use the analogy of "I flick my sub $400 knife all the time with no issues" to describe their issue with CRK's flicking stance should understand that the very act of disassembling their sub $400 knife will VOID their warranty. I love owning knives that are designed to be taken apart, cleaned, and tuned by the user.
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Disagree here. I can flick and disassemble any of my Kershaw/ZT knives all day long without affecting the warranty in any way. Please note that I am not comparing KAI knives to CRK knives, nor do I flick my Sebenza, but I do find the policy ridiculous. Akin to saying "here's your new Porsche, the warranty is void if you exceed 2500 rpm."
 
You flick, because CRK asked you not to. Simple. Idiots have the cunning ability to not follow professional recommendations.
 
solidorange said:
Disagree here. I can flick and disassemble any of my Kershaw/ZT knives all day long without affecting the warranty in any way. Please note that I am not comparing KAI knives to CRK knives, nor do I flick my Sebenza, but I do find the policy ridiculous. Akin to saying "here's your new Porsche, the warranty is void if you exceed 2500 rpm."
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love that analogy.
 
I don't know, I get what you're saying, however, your analogy isn't apt. Using a Porsche's motor in the operating range is acceptable. Saying "Here is your new Porsche, refrain from constant burn-outs" would better suit the topic.

solidorange said:
Akin to saying "here's your new Porsche, the warranty is void if you exceed 2500 rpm."
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You can flick the CRK knives all you want, baton them, hammer them through concrete or whatever....

Just don't expect CRK to fix them for FREE... ;)

If people want something to play with as in a flip toy then there are plenty of options out there like $5 gas station knives that are cheap and replaceable so warranty doesn't matter.
 
Ankerson said:
You can flick the CRK knives all you want, baton them, hammer them through concrete or whatever....

Just don't expect CRK to fix them for FREE... ;)

If people want something to play with as in a flip toy then there are plenty of options out there like $5 gas station knives that are cheap and replaceable so warranty doesn't matter.
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This makes too much sense:thumbup:
 
Oakengroves said:
Voiding a warranty because a customer prefers to open a knife with relatively minimal additional force is ridiculous.

Perhaps I have herculean thumbs, but a strong thumbstud deployment on a knife creates similar force when compared to a sharp wrist flick. I do not flick knives often, but have been known to flick them HARD if a fast deployment is needed. With that said, I flick the living hell out of my Benchmade 810 Contego (a knife that retails for 1/3 the price of a new Sebbie) because it opens better with a strong flick.

Opening a knife with your hands, regardless of how it is done, during the regular course of use should never be considered abuse. Honestly, I've always been hesitant to drop $400-$500 on a CRK when I could purchase a Benchmade or Spydie for 1/3 the price, flick them all day, enjoy better blade steels, and not worry about either company acting squirrelly when I send the blade in for work.
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Reeve has been explicit that thumb-flicks are ok, which is what you seem to be describing above. Wrist-flicking isn't "relatively minimal additional force."
 
Oakengroves said:
Opening a knife with your hands, regardless of how it is done, during the regular course of use should never be considered abuse.
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Yeah, I agree, and my horse hockey meter is starting to twitch. Is the stop pin or blade tang on a CRK any more delicate than those on a Spyderco, Benchmade or SOG? Heck no - or at least it darn well better not be. Thats where the forces are imparted. Waved Spydercos, waved Emersons and Cold Steel knives with the thumb plate that open on your pants pocket take some serious abuse when deployed ("thwack!"), but we never hear Mr. Sal or Mr. Ernest forwarding a cautious approach to opening their knives. I'm filing this one under B for "bull".
 
Ankerson said:
baton them,
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Oh man! FINALLY! I was starting to despair! Almost a hundred posts and nobody mentionned batonning yet!

;)

If you guys would know what "flikker" means in my language... :D

Kind regards,

Jos
 
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