Climber found on Mt Adams

[Dantor]

they found him; http://www.yakimaherald.com/stories/2008/10/17/lost-climber-brought-down-from-mount-adams
missing for 5 days. it says he was an "experienced" climber, yet he went alone friends say;
"he would often tackle strenuous activities alone because few were able to keep up with him."

wow so the "smart" thing to do was to "take it on by himself" and endanger rescuers and
worry the hell outta of his family! "Other" people's welfare and time and money mean nothing to these people.

I'm sure this won't be the last time we hear stories about irresponsible, selfish hikers/climbers
going out this fall and winter "because it's there!" and because they are gods and He-Man!

I'm glad he's alright and I so Commend the Rescuers and the dog that found him but IMO what he did was foolish.
I'd like to hear what you think...

 

[Shore08]

Job Security

Seriously though, you have to wonder what people are thinking sometimes! Of course, having said that I was thinking about taking an overnight camping trip alone later this week... hmmmm

 

[1Tracker]

Only fool's think they are infallible, the rest heed the cautions of the wilderness. I for one wished people like this 'experienced climber' were held financially accountable for every dollar that was spend plus a month in jail for stupidity and being a hazard to society at large. I would've been more happy to read that his body was recovered because then at least i could have faith in my education and Darwin's Theory!

 

[Dantor]

lol honesty I understand "honing your craft" and challenges but couldn't he have done it in a group or with someone!
I can't find anything about what he had on him, being lost for 5 days it doesn't seem like a cell phone or signaling gear
was on him, even a whistle or fire kit. I don't know but maybe "experienced" means something different now a days...

 

[Fraser]

Five days alone on the side of a mountain with a leg injury. Sounds like the guy made out pretty well. I would be interested in what he was carrying.

 

[Bushman5]

at the risk of getting attacked here, i'm going to post this.

why is there this prevailing need to make everything safe these days? ie: Dont go into the woods alone, its not safe, dont do this, dont do that, thats unsafe, your doing it wrong, everything must be safe, trails must be groomed so hikers dont trip, signs must be put up telling people there are falling rocks, we MUST purify our drinking water its unsafe, bla bla bla bla bbla.

Are we not capable of thinking for ourselves and taking risks anymore? is society so stupid that we need the Man or the rest of Society to tell us whats safe or whats not safe? . Can we not go alone into the woods anymore? apparently everytime you go into the woods alone that somehow pages momma nature to come and DEAL WITH YOU! christ! going into the woods in a group DOES NOT MEAN NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, it is NOT A GUARANTEE!. I keep hearing its "selfish" to go into the woods alone. i'm sorry, what i choose to do is my business and i will deal with any consequences that might happen. Yes, death or injury might be one of those consequences. OH WELL! if something happens maybe i'll make it, maybe i wont, i;'m doing something I enjoy, so mind your own business. If i need to be rescued i'll pay for it, otherwise piss off and mind your own business and quit making solo wilderness travelers out to be complete monsters!

sorry, this is a very small part of a much larger rant i have been working on. I'm getting tired of hearing the media making everything seem unsafe. Sometimes in life there are people who go out and do things on their own, and they do just fine. Other times people die or get injured. Thats the way things go sometimes, who are we to determine what people should or should not do. NOT EVERYTHING IS UNSAFE. Did he place the lives of the rescue crew at risk? maybe, THEY chose to go get him. I volunteer sometimes knowing i could get injured or killed while rescuing another.

just rambling...

 

[BlackHills]

Was he foolish? Perhaps. Was he irresponsible? Not in my opinion. Are we going to regulate who can go where, when and with whom? Hopefully not in my lifetime.

Of course, having said that I was thinking about taking an overnight camping trip alone later this week... hmmmm

If I wasn't allowed to go out alone I just might as well give up. 90% of the time I'm outside I'm alone.

at the risk of getting attacked here, i'm going to post this.

why is there this prevailing need to make everything safe these days? ie: Dont go into the woods alone, its not safe, dont do this, dont do that, thats unsafe, your doing it wrong, everything must be safe, trails must be groomed so hikers dont trip, signs must be put up telling people there are falling rocks, we MUST purify our drinking water its unsafe, bla bla bla bla bbla.

Are we not capable of thinking for ourselves and taking risks anymore? is society so stupid that we need the Man or the rets of Society to tell us whats safe or whats not safe? .

sorry, this is a very small part of a much larger rant i have been working on. I'm getting tired of hearing the media making everything seem unsafe. Sometimes in life there are people who go out and do things on their own, and they do just fine. Other times people die or get injured. Thats the way things go sometimes, who are we to determine what people should or should not do. NOT EVERYTHING IS UNSAFE. Did he place the lives of the rescue crew at risk? maybe, THEY chose to go get him. I volunteer sometimes knowing i could get injured or killed while rescuing another.

just rambling...

Well said. :thumbup: I agree with you 100%.

 

[1Tracker]

I agree with your rant Bushman, too much coddling, not enough Darwinism going on. And folks wonder how we got into this financial mess that's about to start Armegeddon? Geeze...

 

[hatchetjack]

It's a risk you choose to take so why not go with the consequence? I think Search and Rescue should be done away with. The other option is to make the rescued person or family accountable for the expenses incurred in finding the person dead or alive.

Take the risk and accept the outcome.That's what risk is all about.

 

[baldtaco-II]

Excellent, I'm really enjoying the way this thread is turning. Whilst on one hand I do throw a good amount of scorn at people that take on adventures that clearly exceed their abilities, and I mock, and point, and laugh when they come a cropper they have the absolute right to do so. I'd feel differently if it were a team leader who misrepresented themselves and put others in peril, but if persons want to subject themselves to danger more power to them.

I think there is a mindset that wants to sanitize the outdoors as a big playground with rules and regulations and checklists. To some extend I think that is good when it is for the sake of conservation, but if a person, an autonomous human being, wants to completely disregard what is sensible or life preserving, well then good luck. The opposite is a path to hell. Consider just how arbitrary those rules and regulations are. Romans marched a good length of my country, including the cold bits in sandals. I believe it would be a dumb thing to do now, but if a guy wants to run the risk of frost bitten feet ... What other lines should we draw up. Do we test people for a proficiency badge. Do we decide that fabrics have come on a long way over the last 20yrs, so upgrade or you're not going out. So on and so on.

One of the primary reasons I come on this bit of the forum is that my country is so regulated, sanitized, and parceled up into packages that are easy to digest for plebs, the outdoors is easy to master. Yet here, in the US, although from what I can gather [trying to avoid politics] despite silly legislations coming in, there is at least the promise of “wilderness” and “freedom”. Cling hold of that and treasure what is left of it.

 

[Dantor]

He didn't go for a walk in the woods, or on a stroll through the daisies he went mountain climbing "alone" and got in serious trouble and we had to pay for his mistake with other people having to bail him out.

I agree if you want to kill yourself, fine, your right, your life but when yo do it on my bill and life that's way different.

Irresponsible people who think they have a right to do anything not only to themselves but to others are wrong and it's why we have laws because you don't have a right to infringe on my life, i.e. drunk driving, dangerous lifestyle, jumping off your roof because when you get hurt, my tax dollars have to pay for the ambulance, medical bills, police, fire department, rescue people/equipment. Even volunteers have to be trained and equipped.

If you want to prove your something special, find an island, start your own country and do what you please, but until then this is our country which we share and live in.

 

[Farnsrocket]

at the risk of getting attacked here, i'm going to post this.

why is there this prevailing need to make everything safe these days? ie: Dont go into the woods alone, its not safe, dont do this, dont do that, thats unsafe, your doing it wrong, everything must be safe, trails must be groomed so hikers dont trip, signs must be put up telling people there are falling rocks, we MUST purify our drinking water its unsafe, bla bla bla bla bbla.

Are we not capable of thinking for ourselves and taking risks anymore? is society so stupid that we need the Man or the rest of Society to tell us whats safe or whats not safe? . Can we not go alone into the woods anymore? apparently everytime you go into the woods alone that somehow pages momma nature to come and DEAL WITH YOU! christ! going into the woods in a group DOES NOT MEAN NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, it is NOT A GUARANTEE!. I keep hearing its "selfish" to go into the woods alone. i'm sorry, what i choose to do is my business and i will deal with any consequences that might happen. Yes, death or injury might be one of those consequences. OH WELL! if something happens maybe i'll make it, maybe i wont, i;'m doing something I enjoy, so mind your own business. If i need to be rescued i'll pay for it, otherwise piss off and mind your own business and quit making solo wilderness travelers out to be complete monsters!

sorry, this is a very small part of a much larger rant i have been working on. I'm getting tired of hearing the media making everything seem unsafe. Sometimes in life there are people who go out and do things on their own, and they do just fine. Other times people die or get injured. Thats the way things go sometimes, who are we to determine what people should or should not do. NOT EVERYTHING IS UNSAFE. Did he place the lives of the rescue crew at risk? maybe, THEY chose to go get him. I volunteer sometimes knowing i could get injured or killed while rescuing another.

just rambling...

Agreed! :thumbup:

 

[Bushman5]

^ ^ Pardon Me?

'm sorry i dont live in Kommunist China, Totalitarian State UK SHARIA LAW Middle East or anywhere else. . I live as a FREE & SOVEREIGN human being on the land mass of kanada, free from the Corporation of Canada and its laws. I govern myself accordingly and i use BASIC COMMON SENSE as well as teachings from my elders and others experienced in the fields i'm interested in.

< Freeman On the Land.

 

[BlackHills]

He didn't go for a walk in the woods, or on a stroll through the daisies he went mountain climbing "alone" and got in serious trouble and we had to pay for his mistake with other people having to bail him out.

I agree if you want to kill yourself, fine, your right, your life but when yo do it on my bill and life that's way different.

Irresponsible people who think they have a right to do anything not only to themselves but to others are wrong and it's why we have laws because you don't have a right to infringe on my life, i.e. drunk driving, dangerous lifestyle, jumping off your roof because when you get hurt, my tax dollars have to pay for the ambulance, medical bills, police, fire department, rescue people/equipment. Even volunteers have to be trained and equipped.

If you want to prove your something special, find an island, start your own country and do what you please, but until then this is our country which we share and live in.

There's no way I can respond properly to this without being political so I'll refrain.

I will ask, where do you draw the line? Should we have to take tests to be approved to go into the wilderness? Issue "wilderness licenses", something like driver's licenses with different classes saying what you're allowed to do in the woods and what you can't? Should we only be allowed out on warm sunny days when there's no threat of inclement weather? What about approved gear that's mandatory to carry?

 

[gajinoz]

I would agree with those who feel that little or no restrictions should be put on people going into the bush, or wherever, as and when they feel like it. I also agree with those that say S&R people should NOT have to risk their lives trying to rescue idiots who bite off more then they can chew. It is my opinion that those rescued because of their stupidity should bear the full financial burden of their rescue.

I have spent a fair bit of time out in the bush, both mountain and desert, in this wide brown land of mine and I'm fully aware of the dangers and my own limitations.

So many times you hear about yet another idiot who has wandered off without the slightest bit of basic preparation and has to be rescued or ends up dead. Morons that go swimming in croc infested waters despite local advice. Halfwits who drive into the desert in the family sedan, break down, get stuck, whatever and die of thirst. Evolution in action as far as I'm concerned. Should people be stopped from driving into the desert? No. Should the right information be readily available that will tell them how to survive, absolutely. Should S&R go out there to look for the idiot when he doesn't come back? Sure, if it doesn't endanger anyone and the idiot, or his estate, pays for it.

There is my little rant on the subject. One of my favourites actually.

 

[Bushman5]

There's no way I can respond properly to this without being political so I'll refrain.

I will ask, where do you draw the line? Should we have to take tests to be approved to go into the wilderness? Issue "wilderness licenses", something like driver's licenses with different classes saying what you're allowed to do in the woods and what you can't? Should we only be allowed out on warm sunny days when there's no threat of inclement weather? What about approved gear that's mandatory to carry?

YOU CANNOT go out on sunny days, you might get CANCER from the sun!!! or a BEE might sting you!!! OH THE HORROR!!!!!!!!

we better get RFID implants, GPS beacons sewn to our heads and State controlled time locks to release us from our special environment controlled bubbles. We must prostate ourself s before the Almighty TOTALTARIAN RULER AND COMPTROLLER and BEG for permission to go outside, after of course, filling out all the Forms and paying all the fees and scanning our retinas and fingerprints, and providing a blood, urine, breath and sweat sample to ensure that we are OK to go outside the BUBBLE!

rant mode off. :barf:

Dantor, my posts are in NO way personally directed at you. Just wanted to clear the air.

 

[Bushman5]

Wolverines!!!!!!

 

[BlackHills]

we better get RFID implants, GPS beacons sewn to our heads and State controlled time locks to release us from our special environment controlled bubbles. We must prostate ourself s before the Almighty TOTALTARIAN RULER AND COMPTROLLER and BEG for permission to go outside, after of course, filling out all the Forms and paying all the fees and scanning our retinas and fingerprints, and providing a blood, urine, breath and sweat sample to ensure that we are OK to go outside the BUBBLE!

Cool, that means someone else gets to go outside and start the truck on those 40 below mornings.

 

[theonew]

Climbing a mountain is too vague. If he was doing technical rock climbing by himself, that seems a little dumb. But if hiking up a mountain by yourself is dumb, while then I'm downright stupid

 

[Farnsrocket]

He didn't go for a walk in the woods, or on a stroll through the daisies he went mountain climbing "alone" and got in serious trouble and we had to pay for his mistake with other people having to bail him out.

I agree if you want to kill yourself, fine, your right, your life but when yo do it on my bill and life that's way different.

Irresponsible people who think they have a right to do anything not only to themselves but to others are wrong and it's why we have laws because you don't have a right to infringe on my life, i.e. drunk driving, dangerous lifestyle, jumping off your roof because when you get hurt, my tax dollars have to pay for the ambulance, medical bills, police, fire department, rescue people/equipment. Even volunteers have to be trained and equipped.

If you want to prove your something special, find an island, start your own country and do what you please, but until then this is our country which we share and live in.

Let me play more devils advocate here:
So if he went with another person, and they both made bad mistakes it would be OK then? What is S&R for then? They are there to help others and they know the risks and knew that when they decided to do that for a career or volunteer.......their job involves danger!
What exactly did he do that broke the law....nothing.
So how much do you think his mistake cost you as a taxpayer?

Wolverines!!!!!!

LOL!!!!