Climber found on Mt Adams

Dantor said:
they found him; http://www.yakimaherald.com/stories/2008/10/17/lost-climber-brought-down-from-mount-adams
missing for 5 days. it says he was an "experienced" climber, yet he went alone :rolleyes: friends say;
"he would often tackle strenuous activities alone because few were able to keep up with him."

wow so the "smart" thing to do was to "take it on by himself" and endanger rescuers and
worry the hell outta of his family! "Other" people's welfare and time and money mean nothing to these people.

I'm sure this won't be the last time we hear stories about irresponsible, selfish hikers/climbers
going out this fall and winter "because it's there!" and because they are gods and He-Man!

I'm glad he's alright and I so Commend the Rescuers and the dog that found him but IMO what he did was foolish.
I'd like to hear what you think...
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Experience is just a range of nearly misses mate..

Both the rescued and the rescuers did a great job..
The rescued guy by leaving a clue to the homestayers where he was hanging out and how long his climb should take.. + he managed to keep himself in good shape and stayed put on a spot where people could find him..

The rescuers performed the rescue.. It's what they love most, and they did a decent job..

I don't see any problems here or anybody being overly unresponsible..


my 0.02 eurocts
 
Interesting discussion...!

We were within a mile of SAR base when he was found; Very good news!!

So we didn't make it into the field, but our County's Command Post did :D :

SAR-ICP-MtAdams.jpg


The good ending simply meant we had another 2 hour drive back home, with a Huclkeberry Smoothie helping to make life GOOD!!

Charging "these idiots" for SAR missions is a popular argument.
My $.02 is that it would be a HUGE mistake to ever charge folks for SAR missions.
Over the years I've heard many argument for charging; but none this far has convinced me it would be a good idea.
Consider:
  • Most searchers are indeed volunteers. They buy their own equipment, and provide thier own training and transportation = no 'cost' to society.
  • There IS a cost for the Deputy(s) that serve as Incident Commander, but they're being paid anyway. Cost = Some overtime and transportation cost.
  • Military aircraft will be flying anyway, for training purposes, etc. - on actual missions their training is upped a notch, and validated = No 'extra' cost.
  • Civilian (LifeFlight, etc.) charge the patient = No cost to anyone else.
For me, the arguments against charging are difficult to ignore:
  • Legal liability for volunteers would go off-the-charts (for NO 'return').
  • Fear of cost may cause a delay in requesting SAR help; seriously complicating missions.
  • Do you really think the SAR volunteer would get ANY $$ colllected? If so; you have more faith in politicians than I...
The argument-of-last-resort always seems to be: "Well, we'd only charge the 'stupid' people!"
Right. So who decides that, and HOW would objective criteria be applied?!!

As a SAR volunteer, I know this is something we CHOOSE to do. Each mission is a choice; we never HAVE to go.

Good thought from all; BF is a great place because of the denizens herein :D !!

Cheers,
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I read through the whole thread and I guess everyone has their valid points of view.

I just want to say that as a hiker, rock climber, ice climber and mountaineer myself, going alone to do any kind of climbing is taking a lot of chances. You may be the best climber in the world but that foothold you just grabbed may give way. You may rip your ice tools off the perfect placement because it had some air bubbles underneath (can't bee seen). A rock thrown by a stupid sheep high above you can knock you down while climbing the easiest pitch ever. You can be walking on the most stupid trail, trip on a root or whatever and break a leg. All of them have happened to me (all but the broken leg one). Luckily I didn't get injured too bad because I was roped up. If I had been soloing those rock / ice climbs I could be dead now.

I really don't know what to say because I also understand those who feel like doing stuff alone. Hell, I have been up the Mont Blanc alone as well! (well, alone means with none of my partners, there is always a bunch of people up there no matter what...).

If possible, I go with a partner. And of course, any kind of climbing is done with one.
Mikel
 
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