Cold Steel Cinquedea

Basp2005 said:
So faced with a sword duel to the death, you would choose this particular weapon?
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Faced with a sword duel to the death, I would get back in my time machine and travel to the present...I obviously travelled back in time, because nonsense like that doesn't happen these days. ;)
 
Cooldill said:
He's a total h8r too. If he bans me, he bans me. But he won't defeat my spirit or my soul.

And yes, I'm going to buy the Cold Steel Chinquedea. If I get flack from that, it'll just bounce off. Go ahead Mr. Cool Guy, Mr. Big Balls, ban me. I couldn't care less. It's pretty obvious SOME members of this community are corrupt and mean. Just because he is a power hungry mod, doesn't mean I'll shrink back in fear.
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I'll take care of the ban part. We'll get along just fine without your spirit, soul and twit-like behavior.
 
Morrow said:
I'll take care of the ban part. We'll get along just fine without your spirit, soul and twit-like behavior.
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[video=youtube;NmPhaG1ud38]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmPhaG1ud38[/video]
 
But, but, he was sorry that he came across as a dick. Wait, too late... *poof*

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FortyTwoBlades said:
Regarding your above-linked Matt Easton video, here's a more thorough video that runs counter to your argument.

[video=youtube;efZLw-tlIOs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efZLw-tlIOs[/video]
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That video makes the point that it was not a specialized dueling weapon such as the small sword. It also makes the point that it's not as light weight as movies portray. But to infer that it's not a dueling weapon is ludicrous. As stated in the video I posted it would be a preferred weapon by most of the HEMA community given a sword on sword duel.
 
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FortyTwoBlades said:
The rapier was not a dueling weapon. Any weapon may be used for dueling, but weapons optimized for use in the context of a duel are dueling weapons. There were such thing as military rapiers, and they were also a civilian defensive weapon.
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According to Wikipedia, and I quote.

During the 17th and 18th centuries (and earlier), duels were mostly fought with swords (the rapier, and later the smallsword). But beginning in the late 18th century in England, duels were more commonly fought using pistols. Fencing and pistol duels continued to co-exist throughout the 19th century.
 
Basp2005 said:
According to Wikipedia, and I quote.

During the 17th and 18th centuries (and earlier), duels were mostly fought with swords (the rapier, and later the smallsword). But beginning in the late 18th century in England, duels were more commonly fought using pistols. Fencing and pistol duels continued to co-exist throughout the 19th century.
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Again, rapiers are a CLASS of swords just like, for instance, longswords are, and there is a lot of variety within the class. Were duels fought with rapiers? Yes. Were there rapiers made expressly for dueling rather than civilian defense or military use? Also yes. But does that make the whole class of swords dueling weapons? No. Only some rapiers were dueling swords. Others were intended for different contexts of use. Dueling rapiers are a subset of rapiers in general, and to broadly call all rapiers dueling swords is silly. You're trying to call all rectangles squares because all squares are rectangles.
 
An example of a military-style rapier, with a broad blade capable of cutting.

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But does that make the whole class of swords dueling weapons? No. Only some rapiers were dueling swords.

Please post were this was ever stated by me. Please, because it was never said nor implied.

You said a rapier was not a dueling weapon. You are wrong. Was it used in other ways, of course. But that doesn't change the fact that it was a popular choice. Why so obtuse?
 
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Even if not all Rapiers were dueling weapons the Rapier is still the best dueling blade.
Even better than the dueling sword which except for its name is actually quite a joke unless the other guy agrees to also use such a toy.
 
Basp2005 said:
But does that make the whole class of swords dueling weapons? No. Only some rapiers were dueling swords.

Please post were this was ever stated by me. Please, because it was never said nor implied.

You said a rapier was not a dueling weapon. You are wrong. Was it used in other ways, of course. But that doesn't change the fact that it was a popular choice. Why so obtuse?
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You had said of the cinquedea:

Basp2005 said:
Tobias Capwell the curator of the Wallace collection called it the predecessor of the rapier, of course it's a dueling weapon.
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To which I responded:

FortyTwoBlades said:
The rapier was not a dueling weapon. Any weapon may be used for dueling, but weapons optimized for use in the context of a duel are dueling weapons. There were such thing as military rapiers, and they were also a civilian defensive weapon.
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To which you responded:

Basp2005 said:
The rapier was not a dueling weapon? What? That's ridiculous. It is the dueling weapon.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qJBGlChcXU[/video]
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To which I responded:

FortyTwoBlades said:
Simply because a weapon may be used in a duel does not make it expressly a dueling weapon. There may have been duels fought with rapiers, and even rapiers made specifically for dueling purposes, but the sword class in general was not specifically intended for dueling purposes.

There was once a duel fought in hot air balloons with blunderbusses (it occurred in 1808--have a look) but that does not make the blunderbuss a dueling weapon nor the hot air balloon a dueling vehicle. They are articles being employed outside their intended context for the purposes of a duel.
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That is to say, there are examples of rapiers that were made with dueling as their intended context of use and those are dueling weapons. But a weapon that happens to be used in a duel does not inherently make it a dueling weapon. Dueling weapons are tailored in both intent and function for use in the narrow context of a duel and not outside of it. Non-dueling weapons may be used for dueling purposes, but it does not make them dueling weapons. It makes them weapons used in a duel. There is a difference.
 
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