Cold Steel= flat out liars

Esav Benyamin said:
Some people get so deeply into the knife companies and the personalities involved that they make decisions based on these other factors, not the knives themselves.
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The company hype doesn't bother me, but I just can't get past the badmouthing that Lynn Thompson bas done to other companies. If I go into a store and the sales person starts badmouthing the competition, I won't purchase from that store. That's just me.

As far as their products are concerned, I believe that they make some excellent knives. Many of them are overpriced, however.
 
buckg said:
Now hold on a minute. You realize that if you race your sports car, it voids your warranty in most cases. Isn't that what a car that can do 180 mph is for? I mean you can't do 180 mph anywhere in the U.S. on a public road. So you take your car to the track and it's no warranty. That means you can't get your car above 75 mph and still have a warranty. How is that any different than Cold Steel?
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I was thinking more along the lines of the Hummer when I was thinking of your analogy. Hummer is an all around pretty tough vehicle made to do things the normal vehicle can't and it's advertised as such. So let's say you are towing something in your Hummer within the max allowable towing weight of the Hummer and your axle breaks. This is covered under your warranty.
However if one tries to do some of the patently absurd things done with their CS knife that are done in the video and the knife is damaged your out of luck because the same people who told you this knife could do that when they were selling it are now going to say you bought it and abused it and it's your problem.
That's my only prob with CS is there shady marketing other than that I do feel that they have some very well made knives in the fixed blade area. As for their pres that's a personality thing. Not everyone likes GW either or Tom Brown Jr. Personality of the pres of the company is not a factor I consider when buying a knife. I also feel that they don't steal designs any more than anyone else out there. They just tend to be more blatant about it.
 
Other than the facts that they rip off other companies designs, and have ridiculous marketing, they are fine I suppose.
 
I also feel that they don't steal designs any more than anyone else out there. They just tend to be more blatant about it.
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Who else steals designs? Gerber? MTech? Dork Ops? I wouldn't consider buying from any of those companies either.:jerkit:
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Who else steals designs? Gerber? MTech? Dork Ops? I wouldn't consider buying from any of those companies either.:jerkit:
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I have to concur wholeheartedly with this post.

Why buy a knife from a dirtbag company that steals designs, when there are plenty of reputable companies that don't?
 
Cold Steel has a good product for the money. Some of these guys think they're cool for bashing Cold Steel. Just remember, these same guys spend 3 to 400 dollars on a knife that originally sold for 139.99 new. It's all hype. I have a SRK and love it. It's easily bought for under $50 and will last. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think.
 
lotus1972 said:
However if one tries to do some of the patently absurd things done with their CS knife that are done in the video and the knife is damaged your out of luck because the same people who told you this knife could do that when they were selling it are now going to say you bought it and abused it and it's your problem.
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The problem is that they specifically use the video to promote the knife, in writing on their website. They say they are selling you a superior product, essentially the[/b[ superior product, and this is the proof. It isn't proof obviously if it can't be duplicated by defination.

For how this should be done, watch Fikes video where he shows what his knives/swords can do. Not only does he not say you can't do everything he does, he specifically notes on several occasions that he picks materials and methods so that users can actually attempt the duplication themselves and encourages it.

He does warn not to attempt several tasks because he shows that they will do significant damage to the blade, and illustrates this by chopping metal barrels, etc. . He also notes similar to "if you have to do it, then you have to do it" but not to do it just for fun because it is a destructive test and will damage the knife.

-Cliff
 
BenchMyke said:
Some of these guys think they're cool for bashing Cold Steel. Just remember, these same guys spend 3 to 400 dollars on a knife that originally sold for 139.99 new. It's all hype. I have a SRK and love it. It's easily bought for under $50 and will last. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think.
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1. Which one of these guys spent $300-400 on a $139.99 knife? What knife is that? And if someone did, how would this have any relevance to a thread about cold steel? Was it a cold Steel knife?

2. What is "all hype"?

3. The old saying about the horse is "Drink", not "think" (Not that it makes a difference, when the intent was to spout nonsense.) Or was that just a failed attempt at being clever? :rolleyes:
 
BenchMyke said:
Cold Steel has a good product for the money. Some of these guys think they're cool for bashing Cold Steel. Just remember, these same guys spend 3 to 400 dollars on a knife that originally sold for 139.99 new. It's all hype. I have a SRK and love it. It's easily bought for under $50 and will last. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think.
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I have no idea what you are talking about with the 3-400 dollar $139.99 knife. I also don't know what you are talking about when refering to "hype".

The facts are that Cold Steel, and its owner have done and continue to do things that show lack of character and integrity. If you choose to support this, fine with me, I am not try to tell anyone else what to do or how to think. Simply relating my thoughts to the masses. My thoughts are that if I have a choice to give my money to one company or the other, I'll give it to one like Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw etc. To a company who has shown an interest in enhancing and advancing the knife market, rather than one like Cold Steel, who just takes advantage of it. Call it eleatist thinking if you want, I could really give a **** less.
 
I have owned several CS products over the years. They sent me their new DVD a few days ago. I did get around to watching it. I see they have gone back to using AUS8 more, and stopped with the 420J2 in their daggers. Good steps IMO. I plan on purchasing their Black Sable model pretty soon, but not from them directly due to price. I also like their push daggers. And their Voyager line also seems to use a new steel now as well instead of AUS8. Considering they can be had for pretty cheap online, not a bad value per se.
 
GarageBoy said:
Our military DOES use many of their products, though. Gerber and them do support our troops openly
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Pretty much every knife company openly supports our troops, while I commend CS and Gerber for that, its not enough to overlook the rest of their buisness practices.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
The problem is that they specifically use the video to promote the knife, in writing on their website. They say they are selling you a superior product, essentially the[/b[ superior product, and this is the proof. It isn't proof obviously if it can't be duplicated by defination.

For how this should be done, watch Fikes video where he shows what his knives/swords can do. Not only does he not say you can't do everything he does, he specifically notes on several occasions that he picks materials and methods so that users can actually attempt the duplication themselves and encourages it.

He does warn not to attempt several tasks because he shows that they will do significant damage to the blade, and illustrates this by chopping metal barrels, etc. . He also notes similar to "if you have to do it, then you have to do it" but not to do it just for fun because it is a destructive test and will damage the knife.

-Cliff
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Thanks for the kind words, Cliff. Can I assume that the DVD that Thom sent made it out to you in the far reaches of the hinterlands? ;)

As I told Thom, the old video started out as a practical joke on a good friend / customer of mine and then just sort of grew as feedback came in from those who saw the original short version. Much of the demo cutting was aimed at those martial artists who were interested in using swords / longer bladed weapons... whether made by me, or someone else. And all the cutting was meant to be taken in a lighter vein and to be just pure *fun*. Anyone could also check the cutting ability of their blades (and themselves) by comparing what they could do against what I could do. I've never studied any of the martial arts, but over the years have learned to cut by the simple expedient of cutting lots of stuff. Steve Schwarzer (my good buddy from wayyyyyyyyyy back) accused me of making some of the cuts look too easy. I plead guilty. Every test that I remember being in the old footage was a piece of cake except for cutting downward into the barrel, and even there the sword wouldn't have required much more work to restore a shaving edge than the tanto did that I drove through the barrel and block. Damage in the video looked much worse than it actually was... the surface scratching to the blade finish was horrendous on the sword. That aside, the barrel cut was pretty dangerous. Anyone using *any* sword that I know of who did not come down on that barrel rim just about exactly vertically would have had a wrecked blade. It was not an easy cut to make. Maybe my memory is failing at my advanced age, but I seem to have a vague image in mind of Cold Steel using plastic barrels to cut in some of their advertising. ;)

I should also mention that no matter *what* anyone does to damage one of my blades THE WARRANTY IS NOT VOIDED. That's because they don't have a warranty!!! I used to guarantee that every knife I made was the best knife I could make on that given day, but... what the heck... I don't even do that anymore. Nowadays I just guarantee that someone will send me the money before I send them the knife.:p

One of these days, if I ever get my new shop finished and actually begin to make blades, I just might send one up for you to smash and bash about with. I expect a glowing report. If the report is not glowing, I'll just have to give in to the idea of my karma having caught up with me! I'll blame Thom, or Alvin Johnson. Yeah. Alvin will do. I'm mad at him anyway. I can't believe he actually let out the secret of *hard* HC steel. ;) I'd told everyone for years that I tempered my edges to RC 40-42.

Back to Cold Steel and their knives... I actually do like some of the CS products. And I'm certainly glad that Lynn does those demos in spandex. He's perhaps the only man I can think of who makes me look good in overalls.

Jimmy 'who looks seventy pounds heavier on film than he does in person' Fikes
 
Well, everything that's been said about Cold Steel has been fascinating, really, but I have no idea what's being said except that Lynn stole some concept from Benchmade and is doing it again with the AK-47. I've done Google searches, but can't find any stories on this.

Confed
 
Confederate said:
Well, everything that's been said about Cold Steel has been fascinating, really, but I have no idea what's being said except that Lynn stole some concept from Benchmade and is doing it again with the AK-47. I've done Google searches, but can't find any stories on this.

Confed
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Can you narrow it down to any certain Cold Steel knives that you're considering purchasing? Like I said before, I'll stick up for the SRK anytime. I'm not sure about the others because I only have a SRK. My friend Ivan51 has had many Cold Steel knives and can give a decent opinion on them. As far as stealing designs, I think all of them stole the design from the first guy who invented the folder or fixed blade. As far as making fun of Lynn Thompson, thats neither here nor there.
 
OleyFermo said:
Thanks for the kind words, Cliff. Can I assume that the DVD that Thom sent made it out to you in the far reaches of the hinterlands?
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Yes, eventually the mail gets through, it just takes awhile, on the positive every blade I recieve is naturally cryogenically treated just due to passing through the weather.

And all the cutting was meant to be taken in a lighter vein and to be just pure *fun*.
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This is really evident when you are watching it, for those who have not seen it there is usually a running commentary by many of the people involved, there are a bunch who do the cutting and there is a lot of joking. While it is obvious that the cutting is taken seriously when it is performed, it looks really natural, not forced. It is impressive in many ways, just for what is done independent of the performance, I have some notes on it after watching it a few times I'll post up later.

That aside, the barrel cut was pretty dangerous. Anyone using *any* sword that I know of who did not come down on that barrel rim just about exactly vertically would have had a wrecked blade.
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Metal is bad because it twists violently on a blade unless you cut really straight and because it is so hard it can exert so much more force than wood. A long time back I read about Buck using their knives to cut thick bolts in half with a hammer and spent an afternoon doing that with a bunch of knives and found out how you could both do it with no damage and then take huge pieces out of the same knife on a recut if you got even a little sloppy and the blade twisted.

-Cliff
 
most of the cold steel knives in carbon V is generaly good knife.I have used many custom and production knives and i think for the price(E-bay) carbon V is good.David Alloway a desert survival expert who practiced his survival skills in the deserts of the southwest and Australia used a SRK as his main fixed blade."Buckshot" Hemming from Michigan a trapper and survival skills teacher praises his Recon Scout.A friend of mine here in Washington State is a boy scout leader/Scoutmaster has been teaching outdoors/survival skills for years and his main knife is a Recon Scout that he says is a great all around camp knife.Is there better knives out there? sure. But i think for the price and what you get cold steel knives are not that bad.
 
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