Cold Steel= flat out liars

moonwilson said:
I just hope nobody like that joker that wrote the recent Wall St. News article gets their hands on one of those videos...
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Too late Bub. That $%#)$%# journalist did see the video. In fact he quoted from it when he held up the Urban Pal to be the icon and centerpiece of his argument. I don't care what you can say, that WSJ article taught me a couple of things:

1. All the people who've assumed that worrying about knives being taken out of context and media being used to convict people by priming a jury to see knives in a certain way can sit down now. I don't think I'll ever be able to take one of these "realists" seriously after they make statements like that- where they typically refer to people concerned about public perception as paranoid.

2. LT can EAT IT, and hopefully die from it. I read someone here saying that "for better or worse" LT had exploited the Mall Ninja market. Well, I think we can conclude that his jaggoff attempts to be cool are for the worse.
 
I buy what I buy because I like this or that product and as a consumer feel my money should be spent where I want. When it comes to knives I usually try to keep the politics out of things and it gets really riled to see that one bloated wanker is hurting the whole bunch.
I own a Steel Tiger and really for what I paid it's a damm good knife. It wasn't even made by L.T. but due to the damm fool running the company most of the knife community will never ever buy this knife or help the struggling Camillius company or the other makers and companies CS uses and alot of decent to good user knives go unbought all because of one single asshat with a big mouth.:mad:
 
Wondrously, I had never seen a single CS video until some were posted here on the forum.

But, when all is said and done, couldn't care less about them.

More harm has come to the image of people carrying knives from our school systems demonization of knives than any thousand vids will cause.

Ditto carrying anything that could be considered a weopen (guns, etc.).


Now, on to the important stuff.

CS makes knives that sell. Whether they sell because of price, image, quality, whatever, they do sell.

I like some of the designs, have carried some CS in the past, and will probably not own another again. Why?

I moved on. But, I sure do like those Navy swords they sell. Might git me one of those someday.
 
Well, when I buy a knife, I like to know the lock will hold. Other than that, the presentation could be much better. I buy Cold Steel knives that I can't purchase from other companies. Their Voyagers are very nice and you can get them for a very good price. My problem with Spyderco is that too many of their knives are alike. Same overall blade sizes...after awhile there's not enough variety.
 
I have had nothing but great luck with my cold steel knives. Many people have a problem with the way lynn runs a business but they forget that it is his business and he can run it the way he wants.
 
RedEdge77 said:
I have had nothing but great luck with my cold steel knives. Many people have a problem with the way lynn runs a business but they forget that it is his business and he can run it the way he wants.
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I have a problem with the way Lynn does stuff, and I haven't forgotten that he can run his business any way he likes.

The proof dvd is advertising. It obviously works or they wouldn't be doing it. It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.
 
Well, you're right. LT can run his business any way he wants to. That doesn't mean you can't be upset about the way he does business. Take another example:

People in this country are free to worship any way they like, and in the persuit of their faith they can say just about anything they like. Still, should responsible people not be upset with groups like the Christian-identity racists or the "God-hates-fags-and-we-picket-soldier's-funerals" folks? I mean, they're only exercising their rights and conducting a legal activity in the way they want to. Still, would you like these people- a small sample- trotted out for the world as the prime example of Christians? Probably not.

LT is a jaggoff. Period. He can run his business however he likes, but that doesn't mean I'm going to sit passively by and allow HIM to be held up as some kind of example to the rest of the world as to what knife people are really like.

**take note- I don't want this to become a political thread, I'm just making a point**
 
Django606 said:
High-paying mall ninjas ;)
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I'm not a mall ninja, nor did I pay anywhere near the catalog prices for my 3 Cold Steel knives. I was first introduced to the Cold Steel brand of knives from an Army guy in my martial arts class, not some cheesy video.
 
They make good products, but also keep in mind some of the things that they do in the video, would also be some of the things that somebody else would do to the knife you loan them.

Don't pry with my damn knife! (let alone stab it into things)
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I have a problem with the way Lynn does stuff, and I haven't forgotten that he can run his business any way he likes.

The proof dvd is advertising. It obviously works or they wouldn't be doing it. It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.
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Well said:thumbup: . Wouldn't own a CS it they were the last knife co on earth, but LT can do what he likes:rolleyes:
 
I've owned several Voyagers and Vaqueros. I have a Recon Scout and a SRK. CS knives come shaving sharp and although I still consider myself a rookie at sharpening I'm able to return them to razor sharpness. They function well for me and I've had no problems with them. Sure there are better knives out there but for the price/performance ratio of a CS knife I don't think there is much that will beat them. LT who? I don't give a damn about him. If he's done something illegal then he'll either end up in jail or eventually lose his ass in a lawsuit. If, on the other hand, he is merely an eccentric asshole, that doesn't influence my buying decisions.
 
havent seen the video, but if a company is putting out a DVD that repeatedly describes how their product is able to cut meat wrapped in denim cloth, then its a pretty clear suggestion about what the product is meant to do as well as it's values and attitudes about its product...

also i'd see the DVD as a potential legal issue e.g. victim of assault with CS product sueing the company and showing the DVD to a jury in court.

big picture; the DVD will affect how people see knives and edged tools and if CS consumers are ok with that then so be it
 
I only made it through the first twenty minutes of this DVD. It is far less entertaining than the previous one. Probably because there's not really anything new. I noticed a little bit of real, practical use of the folders, but it was mostly just new ways to cut meat. I really hope they had a bbq after they filmed that...

I used to be much more naïve about this sort of thing. I used to think, "Sure, it's ridiculous, but no one will take this seriously." Well, I was wrong. The WSJ article proved that. All this marketing, whether it sells knives or not, reinforces the image of knife users as insane vigilantes looking for heads to lop off. We can laugh at the sheeple all we want, but they are in the House and the Senate too. When CS marketing becomes an excuse for removing our rights, it all stops being funny. LT's attitude toward knives is obviously nothing like mine. Do I really want to buy from a man who destroys crates full of knives for a DVD? Do I really want to encourage this man to keep portraying the average knife user as a blood-thirsty lunatic? What kind of person am I really dealing with? I have come to this conclusion:

Lynn Thompson is the world's biggest mall ninja.
 
I'd prefer the knife-grabbers have a normal understanding of what knives can do, and use those, than the alternative. The human imagination is far more creative than a Cold Steel blade is able to survive. Gun-grabbers have done this sort of thing, and thus we have FMJ ammunition that "follows the path of bones" or JHP that "explodes into razors on impact". In short, if they weren't quiting Lynn, they'd be pulling ridiculous concepts out their backside (I have actually seen 'can cut through tank armor' before), and worst of all, people would buy it. Compared to, say, "can slice through bone like butter" or "can penetrate cinderblock without being damaged", "can cut through cardboard" or "goes through denim and beef" isn't too bad.

They may be stupid, childish, and unsafe (I sure as heck wouldn't bend a blade 90 degrees no matter how much I trusted it). The man may <strike>look like</strike> be an idiot. But they give you a decent idea of how the knife looks and acts without having to find a store to handle it. And I doubt they'll be worse than what a knife-fearing wussy's imagination could come up with.

As it is, Cold Steels seems to be one of the few companies widely willing to sell unusual knives, and to not limit their production lines to just the ones that can be sold in the majority of states. Not many other places will market good, long, fixed blade for under 60 bucks shop price.

I'm willing to ignore the incredibly stupid-looking promotion videos in exchange for $10-15 Spikes. Make excellent plug/beat knives.
 
The Proof DVD I have must be an older one, as they do not show any meat cutting through clothes. Actually, it may be a VHS tape, come to think of it. At the time I got it, i thought it was a pretty ballsy marketing tool. Other than cutting rope and chopping blocks of wood, they basically put the knives through abuse paces. Back in the day of the first Proof video, it was more or less a way of saying ' we make tough, solid knives.' From what I've read in this thread, it sounds like the Proof video has been 'updated' to include more offensive/defensive implications. I understand the political implications of such a vid, and from that angle, I don't like it. on the other hand, there is alot of anti-gun propoganda out there that I don't care for, either.

I have a CS Master Hunter that I use a lot, and I like it. I have a Bushman that is used mostly for gardening/yardwork stuff, and we like that. I also have a CS Special Forces shovel, and that thing gets used pretty much, too. All these tools were pretty inexpensive, and the satisfaction they provide have been well worth their price. Regardless of the Proof DVD, I would consider buying another CS item if I knew I could use it. However, CS does sell a lot of stuff I wouldn't be interested in.

Hmmm... I've read other threads here at BF lately... Are LT and Tom Brown Jr. sort of heading down the same path of pomposity? The more I think about it, the more I don't care. Both guys turn out good products.
 
Is Lynn Thompson the guy that does most of the cutting in the video? I also just got this DVD in the mail. I requested it for free after reading all the bad talk about Cold Steel. I watched it and didn't think it was that big of a deal.

I thought it was funny that they would cut up leather straps and boots and back packs and straps of nylon etc. You could cut through all that stuff with a junk $5 knock off.
 
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