Cold Steel= flat out liars

[DngrRuss1]

Am I LT? no
Am I on the payroll? no
Am I very framiliar with CS, its personel and its prectices? yes

I have a boatload of their products. I am very close with many of their staff and management. I have seen with my own eyes and experienced their practices and dedication. I understand that LT may rub some of you the wrong way. I myself do not agree with him all the time. But I can say that the man is very serious and sincere about what he does.

As for being a Toady- I guess if you are a Spyderco or Benchmade Toady, that's ok, right? If one tows the line and defames CS or LT then they must know more and be on morally higher ground than those of us who defend the company, eh?

There are others on this forum that have defended the company and its products. The biggest defense of the company are their repeat sales and their return rate. As stated on another thread, one of the retailers who sells the product says that he has a less than 1% return rate. That should say a lot. But to the CS haters, that would be meaningless. The DVD shows the products being put through paces that most knife users would not do to their knives to show how well built, tough, and sharp they are. But the CS hater says things like "hype", or "silly", or they poke fun and the personel rather than the product.

Again, I am not here to convert the haters. But when a newbie or someone with a serious question about product chimes in, I don't think that it should be mostly the haters that respond.

Maybe the CS fans don't respond as much because theyare actually out using their knives rather than sitting online discussing them... hmmmm......

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

Really, Rat? Why? If what he says makes sense, if the facts are right, what the **** do you care who he is?

A lot of the dislike of LT is his arrogance. Do you really think he'd come here under an assumed name? Do you think HE'S scared of YOUR OPINION ???

The man's absolutely correct. Every thread on Cold Steel runs the same way.

1) Good working knives.
2) His cheap knives are garbage.
3) He makes stuff nobody else does.

4) Oh, yeah. He's got a big mouth.

Just for the record, I doubt I could watch the videos/DVDs every night of the week, but they are fun the first time around. Better than most of the ads on TV ...

Good point(s)
Still seems strange to me that someone would be here just to say good things about CS. But like you said- why should I care. :foot:

The fact that the DVD's are better than TV ads is one reason I dont watch any TV anymore In fact I just sold my TV and XBox and bought more knives with the money :thumbup:

 

[Smegmalicious]

Just for the record, I doubt I could watch the videos/DVDs every night of the week, but they are fun the first time around. Better than most of the ads on TV ...

Better than the hours and hours of TV ads I see for knives. I mean I can't turn my TV on without seeing another add for Spyderco or Benchmade or Kershaw or Buck. I mean really, can we just cut back on the TV adds for knives? They're almost as pervasive as the constant adds for ciggarettes and guns.

Also, for the record I gave my opinion of CS knives earlier in the thread when it hadn't degenerated into whatever you call this. At this point the thread is just funny.

Besides, that dude totally thinks he's a ninja.

 

[Slim to None]

I definitely agree that this has descended into comedy.

Without any hard scientific data, this "discussion" is just an exercise in frustration. Bring the evidence to support your claims please.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

CS took a 440 steel, used their heat treatment, their sub-zero quenching process, and made a knife that could cut over 8 football fields of cardboard before it started losing its edge. The cutters gave up before the knife did. No other mass producer is getting that kind of performance out of 400 series steel.

What exactly did CS do in the cardboard cutting, and they stated that this is better than the 420HC that Buck and others use?

...test one of these CS San Mai knives.

Use a Voyager in AUS-8 if you want to know how the San Mai sharpens, holds it edge and is durable edge wise. The San Mai will just bend more through the blade body, which is kind of pointless as CS AUS-8 is already really flexible. On a really large blade you could argue for it because the much softer laminate would allow the blade to take a hit from a hammer or similar better.

-Cliff

 

[Smegmalicious]

What exactly did CS do in the cardboard cutting, and Use a Voyager in AUS-8 if you want to know how the San Mai sharpens, holds it edge and is durable edge wise. The San Mai will just bend more through the blade body, which is kind of pointless as CS AUS-8 is already really flexible. On a really large blade you could argue for it because the much softer laminate would allow the blade to take a hit from a hammer or similar better.

-Cliff

I really don't think you understand that it's not just metal that's been forged it's pure ninja essence. People may ask why the Cold Steel ninja dude is fat when he trains 10-12 hours a day, but they have it all wrong. That's not fat it's stored ninja essnece! Without the ninja essence you may be right that San Mai is just another steel, but what you don't see, my good man, what you don't see is the microscopic layer of pure ninja that you get with each cold steel knife, and THAT, my friend, is why their knives are better.

 

[Slim to None]

Lets not forget that those voyagers in AUS-8 can easily chop through A WHOLE RACK OF PORK RIBS. Delicious pork ribs, mmmm. I have to go train my stomach to ingest some delicious barbeque, I'll be back....

 

[TheBruce]

You know we could do a test. Cliff has already covered the Spyderco Manix. maybe we could raise funds to have him test one of these CS San Mai knives.

As far as I know there is no actual scientific information concerning the strength of a CS San Mai folder. (Well there might be, Sal might have had one broken just to see)

This means that all existing data is anecdotal and could be provided by those with an agenda, and even discounted, even your info TheBruce.

It's a shame really, just like the strider thread from months back, we where within a few dollars of purchasing a Strider and having it broken. Maybe we can find someone who cna "scientifically" break stuff for us.

Edit to say I found a place in maryland that offeres services that include:

ension, Compression, Torsion, and Flexural Testing:

* Provides modulus of elasticity, yield strength, proportional limit, ultimate strength, modulus of resilience, toughness, strain hardening exponent and strength coefficient, ductility and additional mechanical properties, some at elevated temperatures

Agreed, Dave--this would be terrific: fun and informative, too!

 

[TheBruce]

Lets not forget that those voyagers in AUS-8 can easily chop through A WHOLE RACK OF PORK RIBS. Delicious pork ribs, mmmm. I have to go train my stomach to ingest some delicious barbeque, I'll be back....

Now if we're talkin' barbecue count me in!

 

[3Guardsmen]

Am I very framiliar with CS, its personel and its prectices? yes

I have a boatload of their products. I am very close with many of their staff and management.

Since you are "close to the company", would you mind explaining something that I percieved to be the use of video trickery?

Get your copy of the "More Proof" DVD and do the following:

Click on the "folders" menu, then click on the "Night Force". If you watch closely when they put the "Night Force" in the vise and hook the weights on (I think it's about 2:10 / 2minutes and 10 seconds into the "Night Force" portion of the video), you will see the "Night Force" seemingly morph into the "Scimitar", then back into the "Night Force", right before your very eyes!

Any comments on that one?

Thank you,
3Guardsmen

 

[Smegmalicious]

Since you are "close to the company", would you mind explaining something that I percieved to be the use of video trickery?

Get your copy of the "More Proof" DVD and do the following:

Click on the "folders" menu, then click on the "Night Force". If you watch closely when they put the "Night Force" in the vise and hook the weights on (I think it's about 2:10 / 2minutes and 10 seconds into the "Night Force" portion of the video), you will see the "Night Force" seemingly morph into the "Scimitar", then back into the "Night Force", right before your very eyes!

Any comments on that one?

Thank you,
3Guardsmen

It's an old ninja trick. The oldest ninja trick in the book!

 

[TheBruce]

I really don't think you understand that it's not just metal that's been forged it's pure ninja essence. People may ask why the Cold Steel ninja dude is fat when he trains 10-12 hours a day, but they have it all wrong. That's not fat it's stored ninja essnece! Without the ninja essence you may be right that San Mai is just another steel, but what you don't see, my good man, what you don't see is the microscopic layer of pure ninja that you get with each cold steel knife, and THAT, my friend, is why their knives are better.

Geez, Smeglessthanmalicious, now that the fat man's daunting routine has been exposed, I might actually use CS's increased credibility to justify purchasing another Cold Steel knife..., if indeed they actually make something interesting in future. For now, however, Ninja essence aside, I will happily stick with my Black Sable folder.

 

[TheBruce]

Am I LT? no
Am I on the payroll? no
Am I very framiliar with CS, its personel and its prectices? yes

I have a boatload of their products. I am very close with many of their staff and management. I have seen with my own eyes and experienced their practices and dedication. I understand that LT may rub some of you the wrong way. I myself do not agree with him all the time. But I can say that the man is very serious and sincere about what he does.

As for being a Toady- I guess if you are a Spyderco or Benchmade Toady, that's ok, right? If one tows the line and defames CS or LT then they must know more and be on morally higher ground than those of us who defend the company, eh?

There are others on this forum that have defended the company and its products. The biggest defense of the company are their repeat sales and their return rate. As stated on another thread, one of the retailers who sells the product says that he has a less than 1% return rate. That should say a lot. But to the CS haters, that would be meaningless. The DVD shows the products being put through paces that most knife users would not do to their knives to show how well built, tough, and sharp they are. But the CS hater says things like "hype", or "silly", or they poke fun and the personel rather than the product.

Again, I am not here to convert the haters. But when a newbie or someone with a serious question about product chimes in, I don't think that it should be mostly the haters that respond.

Maybe the CS fans don't respond as much because theyare actually out using their knives rather than sitting online discussing them... hmmmm......

Wind it down, Russ. Your points are well taken. And for the record, as a fellow who doesn't much like the Cold Steel hype and who ain't a fan of Lynn Thompson's confrontational style, I must say that you defend the company with conviction, which proves that everyone's experience is different. I like my Black Sable, and intend to use the heck out of thing. And I appreciate that a balanced approach to this "dialogue" is not out of the question. One of the problems with Cold Steel is that outfits like Spyderco have been really good to the knife industry, while LT is perceived as a bullying user. His brash approach to claims and criticism don't much help, either. But your presentation is valid; I appreciate the way you frame your argument. Note that many of the comments above are actually pretty tame. CS elicits strong commentary because they are both successful and difficult. Warranty complaints surface too often. But, again, none of this changes the fact that they sell some good knives. Like the Black Sable.

 

[3Guardsmen]

But, again, none of this changes the fact that they sell some good knives. Like the Black Sable.

What type of cutting jobs do you/will you be using it for? Besides the San Mai III steel, what other performance attributes do you feel justify its somewhat high price? I can't imagine a "polished micarta" handle as being very grippy when the knife might be needed in a "tactical" situation, but has your experience shown otherwise?

Cheers,
3Guardsmen

 

[TheBruce]

In a "dialogue" there are questions, otherwise it is just soapboxing.

-Cliff

Enough bulls--t. I have answered every point in a clear manner, and I have admitted that unflattering comments about Cold Steel made by several members were worthwhile. I won't be patronized for sport. I am both too old and too violent to put up with pointless sniping. Your comment is useless. I have explained why I like my choice, why I think it a solid addition to my collection, and why I respect San Mai III steel. I own knives from Chris Reeve, William Henry, Benchmade and Spyderco (I love my Military in CPM 440V); and now I have added my only Cold Steel product, the Black Sable of record. I consider this new addition a sterling choice. AND WE HAVE HAD A "DIALOGUE" ABOUT CS WEAKNESSES AND STRENGTHS: I AM NOT REMOTELY PUT OFF BY STRONG DISCUSSION--PETTY ATTACKS BORE ME TO DISTRACTION, HOWEVER.... I'LL WAGER THAT I'M NOT ALONE.

 

[Smegmalicious]

Enough bulls--t. I have answered every point in a clear manner, and I have PETTY ATTACKS BORE ME TO DISTRACTION, HOWEVER.... I'LL WAGER THAT I'M NOT ALONE.

At least they aren't ninja attacks...

 

[Cliff Stamp]

PETTY ATTACKS ...

The "fat man" comments are of course to be ignored, it is the knives that are of interest. If anything these types of comments tend to support the knives because if you have to attack the man then it means you can't critize the knives in a meaningful manner.

-Cliff

 

[Thomas Linton]

I have read this thread with interest as I own two San Mai lock-back "tantos" that I purchased many, many years ago when they still had big knife shows in Cleveland. They lock-up like little tanks. They never got much workout because they came with amazingly thick edges and were the hardest sharpening experience I ever encountered. That middle layer, whatever it is (8A) is very hard. In twenty more years, I may work them into cutting edges.

I also own a Trailmaster which is underutilized because the handle just chews up my hand like no other knife I have ever owned (I should re-handle it. The blade seems fine for that class of knife.).

I only wish all discussions/arguments/whatever were respectful here. IOften they are not. Fans and foes emerge. If all you get is teasing, you are way ahead of the game. Some seemingly appear here just because they like a good verbal brawl. (So very much safer then the other kind.) Good "fun" for some, but it gets in the way of exchanging information, IF that is what you come here for.

Based on my reading, Cliff does not come here to bandy words, whether you agree or disagree with his conclusions.

Step back and think about rejecting Cliff's comment on the grounds that he who dislikes it is "too violent" to suffer such comments.

 

[RedEdge77]

Apparently smeggs is a ninja. He seems to know everything that a ninja does. Just curious

Anyways i happen to like every coldsteel knife i have, and i do plan on buying more. As far as LT goes i don't know the man so i'm not gonna bi**h about what he does or doesn't do.

Sure they hype there knives but many companies have some sort of hype going on with them anyways. For example, many people here hype benchmade knives and others just happen to not like them. I don't own a benchamde so i don't have a comment whether i like them or not, but i will say that many of their designs don't appeal to me. Thats just me though.

If some of you guys have such a problem with cold steel, don't engage in conversations involving them.

Just my .02 on the matter

 

[Thomas Linton]

If some of you guys have such a problem with cold steel, don't engage in conversations involving them.

Just my .02 on the matter

I believe that BF is a place where any member sides should be free to rationally present their positions/opinions on any knife, whether that communicates endless devotion or a "problem" with the product.

Otherwise, what do we have? (a knife magazine)