Cold Steel= flat out liars

Anyhow, cold steel sucks. There's too many other good manufactures around to spend money with those chumps. It's easy not buying thier stuff, because it's either corny as hell, totally unnessisary, or when it comes to thier more usable offerings, there's equal or better deals from other companies. Just my current thoughts. If I wanted a spear or warclub, I might feel differently and have trouble finding a better deal. -That's #800, do I win something?
 
halromberg said:
I've got a bunch of their knives. From the folding half serrated tanto that I got from a buddy in baghdad (kick ass daily carry, and FREE because he was headed back to Britain) to the SRK I carried but almost never used except to open MRE's, to the el cheapo machete that lives in my boat's hanging locker, to the big a$$ed goofy looking short sword/scottish Dirk I bought my Dad to go with the square foot of Scotland my Mom bought him as a gag gift. Everything I've ever gotten from them was slightly overpriced, but built tough and out of good material. No beef with any of them except for putting out some pretty goofy "proof" videos.

Oh, and I give a crap where they're built. We Americans have made our country great by out competing the cheaper labor for over 200 years. The day we wuss out and beg big brother for protection from a bunch of enslaved chinese, we're not worth protecting. Don't talk to me about patriotism of buying American. That's not Patriotism. Patriotism in my book is finding a way to do it better, cheaper, faster and heck, even prettier than anybody else and then making a buck on it. You wanna know how, ask Henry Ford, Sam Colt, Rockefeller and any of the rest of the so-called "Robber Barons" who industrialized the country and made it into the powerhouse it is today.

Cheap foreign labor isn't a problem, it's a resource. The better we learn to use it to make our customers the world over happy, the better our lives will be while it lasts. And when that cheap foreign labor is rich enough that it's no longer cheap, then they can become our customers too. It's all just a matter of attitude, and I'm tired of seeing Americans whining about changes that nothing can be done about instead of rolling up their sleeves and adapting.

Harumph! :-)
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Patriotism is about faithfulness to your country not screwing it for a few bucks.
 
Sapper76 said:
Patriotism is about faithfulness to your country not raping your neighbor for a few bucks.
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There seems to be a discussion going on about Cold Steel and how globalization relates to these large production companies. We are not talking about small custom makers, and so people who understand nothing about economy, or do understand but want to troll the thread anyway by equating free market to rape, need not apply.
 
znode said:
There seems to be a discussion going on about Cold Steel and how globalization relates to these large production companies. We are not talking about small custom makers, and so people who understand nothing about economy, or do understand but want to troll the thread anyway by equating free market to rape, need not apply.
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So by that I'd assume your in favor of slave labor, am I wrong?
 
You ARE wrong to assume that your comments are appropriate to this forum.

Start a thread in the Political Arena if you have a problem with some other country's practices. Do NOT bring this up here again.
 
It is amazing to me how much bashing Cold Steel gets here. Cold Steel is the arch enemy of the custom maker, the knife reseller and the mainline production knife company. They have very good products. They sell direct. They have low end budget products, mid-range and high end products. Anyone ever see a Damascus Tanto, or a Damascus Tai-Pan. They are as good as anything the custom makers do for multiple times more money. $550 seems to be a standard price for a custom folder and boy I can not say they are worth it, a good spyderco at half the price puts most customs to shame along with a lot of cold steel products. I have bought custom folders from known makers to have them fall apart from flicking open after a few weeks. I have had junk straight knives from custom makers. I have hardly ever had a decent custom maker knife. Custom makers have a lack of consistency from knife to knife. They try to rip off on price by getting as much as they can. They hate selling on the internet and love to sell at shows. I will very rarely ever think about buying a custom knife they are so disappointing to own - if you use them. if you just put them in the safe and sell them a few years later for a gain ahh for this they are very good, not for using.
Cold steel puts knife makers to shame on their tests of cutting ability, flex, strength etc. They simply shame the custom guys horribly and the other large manufacturers. The insurance industry tests cars and points out deficiencies with cars. No one does that with knives but at least cold steel tests their own. If they tested others it would open up the door for litigation - unfair testing, unfair business practices, etc. Notice they do not get challenged by the other companies. A lousy product with great marketing will outsell a great product with lousy marketing. Cold steel has very good products with exceptional marketing and it makes for an unbeatable business model. So why bad mouth them because they have their act together.
Cold steel has overall very good products and they even back their sales up with service.
So many people accuse them of ripping off designs etc. Nonsense. They have deep pockets and are not going to risk losing a lawsuit. So many here try to protect Emerson wave, almost like they are shills. If we were so protective of other designs then case or schrade would be the only ones allowed to make pocket folders. One can not copy emerson wave opening but if you can find another way to get there why not, we all stand to benefit. I have found the emerson waves to be worse than the spyderco versions and quite unreliable. I do practice. If enough people knew you could wave a knife with a blade hole with a tip up clip with a twist tie strap then where would emerson be and these wave mods work very well, try it they seem to be more reliable than the emerson waves
When I buy a Cold Steel product I feel confident I will get my moneys worth. Buy enough customs and see how many times you get burned IF you use the customs, not just leave them in the safe. There are a lot of other manufacturers out there that sell garbage and cold steel leaves those guys in the dust.
Remember no one else tests their knives like cold steel does and I am glad they do so and their is a reason the other guys do not publicly test their knives.
 
Welcome to the catch-all Cold Steel blah blah blah thread, panama. It's all here. Every reasonable effort has been made to merge all Cold Steel bashing in one place, for your viewing enjoyment!
 
Panama, could you please show proof of your accusations about custom knives that you have purchased. You are very free with your derogatory comments, but I don't see anything that proves that what you posted is anything other than BS. Please let us know what makers' knives fell apart after a couple of weeks of flicking the blade.

Your comment that Spyderco folders are better than most customs is crap, because I doubt you have had experience with enough custom knives to make such a broad statement. To make such a statement you would have to have had first hand experience with most of the custom knives that have been made. There's not even the slightest chance of that.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Panama, could you please show proof of your accusations about custom knives that you have purchased. You are very free with your derogatory comments, but I don't see anything that proves that what you posted is anything other than BS. Please let us know what makers' knives fell apart after a couple of weeks of flicking the blade.

Your comment that Spyderco folders are better than most customs is crap, because I doubt you have had experience with enough custom knives to make such a broad statement. To make such a statement you would have to have had first hand experience with most of the custom knives that have been made. There's not even the slightest chance of that.
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i dont own any custom blades personally but i've handled enough to know that they are usually made with the utmost care and to hear that a custom folder fell apart after only a few weeks of flicking is truly sad to hear. Of course we are all human and do make mistakes, perhaps the heat treat was off or the pivots not tightened enough or the other countless things that could have happened during the "creation" of that specific folder... i use the word "creation" because a custom is usually created from start to finish by the bladesmith. productions are usually mass made and therefore are cheaper but still have the chance of having faults (i've seen a few badly cracked knives from bad heat treats).

cold steel is an excellent knife company for those starting out in the knife world regardless of its odd marketing strategies. they make a wide range of blades and i personally think that you get what you payed for except in the case with the original carbon V bushman (one helluva beater) which is getting more then what you payed for.

there will always be conflict between "cold steel haters" and "cold steel fans".. just like theres always conflict between two sides wit opposing ideals. and because this is a knife forum i believe it is within our rights to "discuss" the issues and strengths with knives and the companies which produce them.

just an observation.

cheers.

p.s. panama, i believe that any custom maker (or atleast the ones i know on the forum) would make things right and either make you a new folder or refund you the money for it. people have pretty high standards about themselves and the knives they create. its a shame that yours didnt turn out too well.
 
There is nothing tactical, or overly impressing about a carbon V Master hunter. Its a good knife, plain and simple. Just as their hawks. As to the other knives, I agree that they can go over bored, but a knife is a knife.

Wow. just noticed 41 pages of this crap and I just added to it, sorry.
 
panama said:
It is amazing to me how much bashing Cold Steel gets here. Cold Steel is the arch enemy of the custom maker, the knife reseller and the mainline production knife company. They have very good products. They sell direct. They have low end budget products, mid-range and high end products. Anyone ever see a Damascus Tanto, or a Damascus Tai-Pan. They are as good as anything the custom makers do for multiple times more money. $550 seems to be a standard price for a custom folder and boy I can not say they are worth it, a good spyderco at half the price puts most customs to shame along with a lot of cold steel products. I have bought custom folders from known makers to have them fall apart from flicking open after a few weeks. I have had junk straight knives from custom makers. I have hardly ever had a decent custom maker knife. Custom makers have a lack of consistency from knife to knife. They try to rip off on price by getting as much as they can. They hate selling on the internet and love to sell at shows. I will very rarely ever think about buying a custom knife they are so disappointing to own - if you use them. if you just put them in the safe and sell them a few years later for a gain ahh for this they are very good, not for using.
Cold steel puts knife makers to shame on their tests of cutting ability, flex, strength etc. They simply shame the custom guys horribly and the other large manufacturers. The insurance industry tests cars and points out deficiencies with cars. No one does that with knives but at least cold steel tests their own. If they tested others it would open up the door for litigation - unfair testing, unfair business practices, etc. Notice they do not get challenged by the other companies. A lousy product with great marketing will outsell a great product with lousy marketing. Cold steel has very good products with exceptional marketing and it makes for an unbeatable business model. So why bad mouth them because they have their act together.
Cold steel has overall very good products and they even back their sales up with service.
So many people accuse them of ripping off designs etc. Nonsense. They have deep pockets and are not going to risk losing a lawsuit. So many here try to protect Emerson wave, almost like they are shills. If we were so protective of other designs then case or schrade would be the only ones allowed to make pocket folders. One can not copy emerson wave opening but if you can find another way to get there why not, we all stand to benefit. I have found the emerson waves to be worse than the spyderco versions and quite unreliable. I do practice. If enough people knew you could wave a knife with a blade hole with a tip up clip with a twist tie strap then where would emerson be and these wave mods work very well, try it they seem to be more reliable than the emerson waves
When I buy a Cold Steel product I feel confident I will get my moneys worth. Buy enough customs and see how many times you get burned IF you use the customs, not just leave them in the safe. There are a lot of other manufacturers out there that sell garbage and cold steel leaves those guys in the dust.
Remember no one else tests their knives like cold steel does and I am glad they do so and their is a reason the other guys do not publicly test their knives.
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there is three minutes of my life that I will never get back...so many of these statements are complete idiocy it cracks me up...you need to do a little more research before you make such broad statements...
 
hey guys lets keep this thread on topic, ok???:D

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Panama just because Cold Steel puts out a video of them testing their knives does not mean they are the only ones that test their knives. Hell I stabbed a old M7 Bayonet through a 50 gallon drum while at Ft. Leonard Wood just for kicks. Plenty of makers test their knives, they just don't make an elaborate video out of it.

Got to love those batoning photos - Stress Risers? What's that?
 
Wait, I'm confused.

Didn't Lynn baton a Sherman tank into peices with a Recon Scout in "Ultra really solid proof vol. XXIIV"?

Must have been a poor triflex deflection angle while batoning that oak.
 
Siggyhk said:
Anyhow, cold steel sucks. There's too many other good manufactures around to spend money with those chumps. It's easy not buying thier stuff, because it's either corny as hell, totally unnessisary, or when it comes to thier more usable offerings, there's equal or better deals from other companies. Just my current thoughts. If I wanted a spear or warclub, I might feel differently and have trouble finding a better deal. -That's #800, do I win something?
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WHY, in your opinion, does Cold Steel "suck"? Too many people resort to name calling without explaining themselves. Also, when you say there are "equal or better deals" from other companies, answer me this: Where can I buy something equal to or better than the Voyager 6-inch folders? Or how about a 6-inch Vaquero? Or how about the 5-inch Gunsite Tanto?
 
Confederate said:
WHY, in your opinion, does Cold Steel "suck"? Too many people resort to name calling without explaining themselves.
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Are you ignoring the pictures just posted above? Heard of Benchmade, Kershaw, Spyderco, Ka-Bar, Fallkniven, BRKT, HI, or Busse ever having that kind of gross failure in a baton job? Do you understand why consistency in quality control is important?

Confederate said:
Where can I buy something equal to or better than the Voyager 6-inch folders? Or how about a 6-inch Vaquero? Or how about the 5-inch Gunsite Tanto?
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The fact that no reputable company even bothers with the >5" giant-folder category should tell you something about their necessity and how many people actually buy them... you seem to be the exception, not the rule.
 
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