Cold Steel= flat out liars

Well, I shoulda said, "If I wanted a spear, warclub, or folder with a blade over 5 inches...". -Maybe I should include throwing spikes in there too. But, then again, it could be said that 5 inch folders and larger fit the "totally unnessisary" catagory. That, of course, is an opinion. The voyagers are probably the best thing they've done, I'll give ya that. -As to why they "suck", and they do, there's already 40 or so pages of that, I just wanted to talk a little %#$@ personally, I guess.
Those picture say alot. Hopefully whoever was using those knives only got a little imbarassed, and wasn't really depending on them.
 
znode said:
Are you ignoring the pictures just posted above? Heard of Benchmade, Kershaw, Spyderco, Ka-Bar, Fallkniven, BRKT, HI, or Busse ever having that kind of gross failure in a baton job? Do you understand why consistency in quality control is important?
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Check out Bummer! on the Spyderco forum. Breaks like these are not common anywhere among reputable companies, including Cold Steel, but they do happen. Only with Cold Steel does the world generally hear about it for pages and pages.

The fact that no reputable company even bothers with the >5" giant-folder category should tell you something about their necessity and how many people actually buy them... you seem to be the exception, not the rule.
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Camillus had a lot of success with the CUDA Maxx bowies and stilettos and with the Aftermath and Gibbs Maxx, too, considering their prices. We've had periodic threads on megafolders. They are a niche item, but they have their place. The Vaquero Grande itself has a pretty enthusiastic following.
 
This may come as a blow to the Cold Steel haters, but that product line outsells most others including Benchmade and Spyderco and has a lower return rate that either. So while you write all the venom you like about the company, I've always found it hard to argue with success. Buy what you like. Spend your internet forum time doing constructive and useful things.
 
EdgeOn said:
This may come as a blow to the Cold Steel haters, but that product line outsells most others including Benchmade and Spyderco and has a lower return rate that either. So while you write all the venom you like about the company, I've always found it hard to argue with success. Buy what you like. Spend your internet forum time doing constructive and useful things.
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My inner skeptic is screaming. Independent proof, please?
 
znode said:
Are you ignoring the pictures just posted above? Heard of Benchmade, Kershaw, Spyderco, Ka-Bar, Fallkniven, BRKT, HI, or Busse ever having that kind of gross failure in a baton job? Do you understand why consistency in quality control is important?
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No, I'm not ignoring the photos above. I just don't see their relevancy. I wouldn't subject any knife to the abuse that would cause the steel to fail. Knives aren't supposed to be pry bars. Having said that, yes, all knives will fail at their weakest points, and Cold Steel has incorporated a design that apparently will not hold up to heavy prying. As for the steel, it was produced for Cold Steel by Camillus, which is known to produce good steel. There are many thousands of people who own the Recon Tantos and other Carbon V blade models who are perfectly happy and who have had no problems.

The fact that no reputable company even bothers with the >5" giant-folder category should tell you something about their necessity and how many people actually buy them...you seem to be the exception, not the rule.
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Now you're just being disagreeable. I'm certainly not the only one who likes larger knife models. I own Voyagers of every size and they're well made and give excellent service. I also own Benchmade, Spyderco, Ka-Bar, CRKT and Kershaw knives. Two of the Ka-Bars I own belonged to my father, who took them through the war in the Pacific. I have many more folders than I do fixed knives and I love the Benchmade line much more than I do the Spyderco, which I don't find as attractive. But the 5- and 6-inch Voyagers are wonderful. They're almost indestructable and the locks are very strong. Even the little 3-inch blade versions feel great in the hand and they perform very well for what I can get them for. Try one sometimes. They're certainly not Benchmades, but they are nice little knives.
 
I have about forty CS knives. Every last one of them gave me my hard earned monies worth. IMO for the money nobody can touch them. I have had most of them for quite a few years.
 
SlamFire said:
Folks have claimed that Cold Steel simply rips off others designs. Well recently the RAT series of knives by Ontario have received a lot of buzz.

And yet, a side by side comparison between a RAT blade and a Cold Steel Scalper blade shows amazingly similar blade profiles.

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So, is Cold Steel being ripped off by Ontario?
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Yes. Ontario Knife Company obviously had to rip the Drop Point blade off Cold Steel. :rolleyes:
 
I agree--Let's start a Thread on Ontario.

That Crafty Mr. Thompson.

Inventing the Drop Point.

Incredibly Brilliant.

Jim
 
SlamFire said:
So how exact does the copy have to be, to be considered a "rip off"?
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You're kidding.

There are basic knife styles that everyone has been doing for years. Some of them even match profiles of ancient chipped flint blades.

Some knives were unique when first developed and effectively remain proprietary shapes. Then come the offshore cheapies copying anything, and right behind them, Lynn Thompson.

Brian Tighe's work, reproduced as the Black Sable?
The Okapi, reproduced as the Kubu?
Grohmann's reproduced as the Canadian Belt Knife? -- on that one, he even pointed to his source.

Cold Steel puts out a lot of good knives at reasonable prices. They have specialty items hard to find anything comparable elsewhere. Their advertising is actually a bonus for the industry as it can get less knife-oriented people interested in quality in knives.

Then he steals designs he doesn't even need to prosper. It looks like spite, like his website attack on Strider.
 
Aside from the fact that those are both knives, they really have very little in common.

Cold Steal's blatent, obvious, shameless copies of the DH Russell and Strider knives on the other hand are just about indisputable.

But nice try.

LT has some good designs, knife patterns that no one could claim except for Cold Steal. But instead of focusing on making more of those, he finds it easier to be a rip-off artist.
 
SlamFire said:
And don't forget the Black Bear Classic, which is a derivative of a Loveless design. Which everyone copies. And then there is the R1, which is a derivative of a Randall Number 1. Which is also copied by everyone.

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Let the market decide which one to buy.
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Did you miss what I wrote about prior art?

There are basic knife styles that everyone has been doing for years. Some of them even match profiles of ancient chipped flint blades.

Some knives were unique when first developed and effectively remain proprietary shapes. Then come the offshore cheapies copying anything, and right behind them, Lynn Thompson.
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Yes, the market will decide. And the cheap shall inherit the Earth. Meanwhile, when people come here to ask about quality, and ask about class, I know what to tell them, and it's not to steal.
 
SlamFire said:
How long is monopoly protection warranted? When should something transition to the public domain, and be available for everyone to use, copy, and let the “best value” copy win?
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You ever hear the old adage "No honor among theives"?

Granted, Cold Steal may not be breaking any laws but I wouldn't be breaking any laws if I changed my screen name to Slamfyre either, but that wouldn't be very original would it.
 
im gonna chime in here with my cold steel gripe! i was a cold steel fan some years back and started a nice collection of cold steels. but the more i read from the master, lynn thompson, the more i finally realized the guy liked to bash other makers and their products almost to the point that if you werent buying his products exclusively, you were an idiot! i agree most cold steels are good knives but he really pissed me off when he started putting down the real swiss army knife makers victorinox and wenger! it was at that time he began selling these china made piece of junk swiss army looking knives, that i saw at every flea market i ever went to, in his factory catalog "proof" claiming they were as good if not "better" than the originals and that the originals were "over priced"! and not worth their "high" price. but, HIS products were "well" worth their extremely "cheap" prices! now as i said that really pissed me off. i was a victorinox fan long before being a cold steel fan and i know they are well woth their "modest" price. in fact im really suprised they dont cost twice as much seeing the amount of machining and precision that goes into each one. after he did that i lost my interest in cold steels and sold my collection. it seemed to me mr thompson was out just to "make a buck" any way he could and was not so focused on making great knives as he claimed. that was also evident in all the other junk he was selling in that same catalog besides knives like walking sticks, whips, spears, throwing torpedos, ect. i probably wont own any more cold steels unless things have really changed in mr thompsons attitude.,,,thats my opinion anyway,,,VWB.
 
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