Cold Steel tests the Sebenza against their Cold Steel Code 4

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I have one of those, we use it for docking sheep tails! It would be perfect, good call.
jill jackson said:
They could use a rubber castrater band, I bet that they'd hold with that.
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Just saying did you see how easily he closed the locked blade with his hand on the sebenza


Still sebenza will always have there place in quality above cold steel
 
As much as I like my Sebenza, I don't think a rubber band would make any difference. As a Sebenza user, I don't care about these tests, but I'm quite supprised it let go so easily. Anyway, just another day with Sebenza in my pocket today so whatever...
 
How exactly would force exerted on the lock bar not help?:confused:
makak said:
As much as I like my Sebenza, I don't think a rubber band would make any difference. As a Sebenza user, I don't care about these tests, but I'm quite supprised it let go so easily. Anyway, just another day with Sebenza in my pocket today so whatever...
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If Cold Steel or AD come out with a top tier production knife that actually appeals to me, I'd be all over it. I'd love to have a Tri-Ad lock on a knife that rivals a Small Seb in terms of materials, size and F&F, as I'd take a fully ambi knife any day over a righty of lefty lock, if all other things were more or less equal. But, until that time, all the tests in the world don't really matter to me. I carried a CRK for over 7 years without any issues and that's really all the "proof" I need to know they work. And FWIW, I'm a Front Line guy who has used CRKs countless times at work and still have all my fingers.
 
From an engineering standpoint, yes I am one, Chris Reeve probably made these tests and others to all his knives, no, he doesn't want it to lift 380 pounds but testing and failing is how you improve on things, a lot of useful data can come from this, I bet he has loads of data on his knives, this is for R&D not for show and tell.
 
I think most of you must not have watched the whole video.
jill jackson said:
There's something strange about it, because watch what happens when BladeHQ tests cheap Frame locks. They max out at 380 pounds! Even the Buck 110 does and a Chinese liner lock Spyderco. Same for a Chinese Kershaw. And a Sebenza won't hold 45 pounds?
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Low end frame locks have two major differences from high end frame locks:

Steel lock bars
Late lock up

Many consider these inferior qualities. In reality, steel is stronger than titanium and late lock up makes slipping less likely. Backlocks are less likely to fail plainly by design.
 
As to Lynn and the cold steel crew ,suggested by some of you guys, supposedly screwing with competitor's knives behind the scene such as the sebenza, i think is BS. First of all , why would they need to do that? Of fear that the Triad would fail against some framelock? And secondly, i highly doubt they would sink this low. Why should they? Everybody knows the blade will break before the triad would fail. Lets just face it, the lock on the sebenza is weak .Thats it
 
Glenn056 said:
As to Lynn and the cold steel crew ,suggested by some of you guys, supposedly screwing with competitor's knives behind the scene such as the sebenza, i think is BS. First of all , why would they need to do that? Of fear that the Triad would fail against some framelock? And secondly, i highly doubt they would sink this low. Why should they? Everybody knows the blade will break before the triad would fail. Lets just face it, the lock on the sebenza is weak .Thats it
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You're talking about the company that sued another over frivolous nonsense.
 
Sosa said:
A well done London broil would challenge the heartiest of locks haha.
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I'm not going to lie..An overcooked london broil is a challenge for any knife :p
 
I knew when I watched the video, it would ruffle some feathers. I'm still trying to decide if it does point out a true weakness in the knife or not, in real world practicality.
The way I use my knives, I would probably never notice an issue, but, I don't spine whack my knives...

I was surprised that the knife cut loose so quickly though. Many have said it is because it's a frame lock, or it needs to break in little first.
Maybe that's true, but for $400 give or take depending on the model, it does make me think...

Does it mean I will not buy a CRK after watching the video ? No. Do I wish the results were different ? Sure, I think a lot of people do.
People talk crap about CS knives all the time. I've owned probably 10 or so over the years, and have yet to have a complaint with any of them.
I don't like their marketing strategy, and quite frankly I think many of their knives are ridiculous looking and WAY to big for folders, but they sell.
The reality is, they make a solid knife with a good lock system, at a reasonable price.

In the end, what was accomplished ? It ruffled some feathers, and made defensive those truly devoted to CRK knives, and gave the CS fanboys something to brag about on the interwebs.
Basically that was all. Will it hurt CRK sales ? Hell no it won't. Will it make CRK owners dump their knives and run to CS ? Hell no it won't.
 
Glenn056 said:
Lets just face it, the lock on the sebenza is weak .Thats it
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As strong as the Triad Lock, no way. But I think 25 years of use would suggest otherwise as far as being weak. Welcome to the Forums, by the way.
 
Glenn056 said:
As to Lynn and the cold steel crew ,suggested by some of you guys, supposedly screwing with competitor's knives behind the scene such as the sebenza, i think is BS. First of all , why would they need to do that? Of fear that the Triad would fail against some framelock? And secondly, i highly doubt they would sink this low. Why should they? Everybody knows the blade will break before the triad would fail. Lets just face it, the lock on the sebenza is weak .Thats it
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That's the problem,..There is room for doubt- Personally, I doubt that it would fail so early,..but would it surprise me..not really. It's a meaningless test..The Triad lock is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist when the tool is used for it's intended purpose.

And yes,..There IS room for doubt when the testing is one sided,..but that is just how these tests go..Isn't it? ;)
 
Wow! that Sebby performed terrible. Other liner locks from their testing lasted pretty good specially Emerson's where the workmanship and fit and finish is the complete opposite of CRK. That being said, Cold steels tests are asinine. it doesn't replicate real world use, it only replicates real stupid use.
 
For me, the lock-strength-while-whacking-the-spine issue is not my real concern. I truly could not care less which knife is better at handling such activity as it is not something that I will do. My Sebenza is more than strong enough for my needs. For me, the issue is more about what Cold Steel seems to feel is significantly relevant in the knife user world. Like I said, their test does not matter to me. But, if it matters that much to CS, then I have to wonder how much they focus on other things that also don't matter to me in a knife. And if they have a different philosophy about what's important in a knife than me, then I am left to wonder why I would purchase their products. This of course says nothing about the knives other than they are just not "my style" or "for me". YMMV
 
bhyde said:
That's the problem,..There is room for doubt- Personally, I doubt that it would fail so early,..but would it surprise me..not really. It's a meaningless test..The Triad lock is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist when the tool is used for it's intended purpose.

And yes,..There IS room for doubt when the testing is one sided,..but that is just how these tests go..Isn't it? ;)
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There you go being rational :D

True there can be doubt about one sided testing. Probably even more so when it comes to CS and their awesome marketing :D
For nothing other than curiosity sake, it would be interesting to see a neutral, well respected person do the same test.
Would it actually mean anything ? No, not really.

The spine whack test seemed really ridiculous. IMHO it seemed like the test was excessive. In the video it looked like a very hard hit.
Dare we say, Abuse lol...
I guess it makes a difference to those who continually ask, " Is this a good knife if SHTF "? If a person can't tell whether a knife is well made on their own, they aren't going to be able to survive in that kind of situation anyway. Besides, there isn't much need for a SHTF Bushcraft knife in the basement :D

I've never given lock systems much thought over the years, but I was taught by my Grandfather the proper way to use a knife when I was very little, and I carried slip joints growing up, and still do at times...

On the other hand, did this "test" possibly show that there is room for improvement in the lock area ? I don't know.
There is nothing wrong with improving things, IF they really need improving. CR has won enough awards for his knives, I think that speaks volumes, but nothing is perfect. On the other hand, I don't remember ever reading anyone saying the lock on their CR knife "failed" under normal use,
so apparently it's not a big issue...
 
Professor said:
Guys, I love me some CRK as much as anyone here. Carried a small regular Seb for 10+ years and have some BEAUTIFUL annual inlays in my collection.

However, this test was meaningful to me.
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Does this mean you are selling your Annuals? Please please let me know... :)
 
338375 said:
There you go being rational :D

True there can be doubt about one sided testing. Probably even more so when it comes to CS and their awesome marketing :D
For nothing other than curiosity sake, it would be interesting to see a neutral, well respected person do the same test.
Would it actually mean anything ? No, not really.

The spine whack test seemed really ridiculous. IMHO it seemed like the test was excessive. In the video it looked like a very hard hit.
Dare we say, Abuse lol...
I guess it makes a difference to those who continually ask, " Is this a good knife if SHTF "? If a person can't tell whether a knife is well made on their own, they aren't going to be able to survive in that kind of situation anyway. Besides, there isn't much need for a SHTF Bushcraft knife in the basement :D

I've never given lock systems much thought over the years, but I was taught by my Grandfather the proper way to use a knife when I was very little, and I carried slip joints growing up, and still do at times...

On the other hand, did this "test" possibly show that there is room for improvement in the lock area ? I don't know.
There is nothing wrong with improving things, IF they really need improving. CR has won enough awards for his knives, I think that speaks volumes, but nothing is perfect. On the other hand, I don't remember ever reading anyone saying the lock on their CR knife "failed" under normal use,
so apparently it's not a big issue...
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It would be nice to see a neutral third party test- But, the reality is, it probably wouldn't make a difference. It's not a secret that Sebenzas and likely, most framelocks don't do spinewhacks..It's just a reality..Just a good way to weaken the locking mechanism..You may be able to draw any conclusions you like from this.

As far as room for improvement..Absolutely..There is room in any design for improvement as any design can be brought to failure.
 
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