Cold Steel tests the Sebenza against their Cold Steel Code 4

[idaho]

Watch the last few seconds of the video where he defeats the lock by hand. No way is the lock this weak.

The lock was damaged after static test.

Sebenza not only failed, but became permanently unusable.

 

[kidcongo]

Yeah, that really proves it...

You might want to look up irony in the dictionary. Guess I didn't spell it out. :yawn:

 

[bart1]

I suspect that If I spent enough time thinking about it , I could devise a test or two that would seem reasonable, but show the Sebenza in a better light than some other folder..... I think we all know what this proves.... If not contact me with your slightly used CRK's ,and I will relieve you of them.....

 

[philwar]

You might want to look up irony in the dictionary. Guess I didn't spell it out. :yawn:

If you're saying you were being ironic, no, it wasn't clear, especially not with all the other conspiracy nut jobs here accusing CS of foul play with the Sebenza. But thx for making that clear. :thumbup:

 

[Jimbo75]

I think it's a good they do their testing, it's criteria that CS expect their products to pass so they test it against competitors products to see where they sit, there's nothing wrong with that and I think all companies should be doing it and striving to improve their products.

People think it's a stupid test because THEY would not attempt them in real life situations. I've only been in this world for 40 years but I have seen more stupid than I care to recall...people spine whacking folders to crack bones when dissecting animals, batoning folders to make kindling etc. People can be stupid and think what their doing is perfectly normal.

Cold Steel have decided to cater to stupid and I think it's a great idea, it's a large part of the market. Otherwise what's the point of having seat belts or airbags or safety's on guns? The more a product is prepared for stupid the better, with shows like Jackass airing, stupid is on the rise.

I think the only questionable part about the whole test for me and the bit that's probably annoying people here is that they do their R&D publicly. Will it make me sell my half doz. CRK's, no, does it give CRK food for thought, maybe?

 

[ice_man]

You all can spine whack me on the head with any of the CS knives and I still would not give up any of my CRKs... [emoji16]

 

[straightwalls]

Cold Steel have decided to cater to stupid and I think it's a great idea, it's a large part of the market.

Correct & correct, two points for you sir. Although I differ on the great idea part, effective for the target audience and profitable, certainly.

 

[mlamb]

You know your at the top of your game when their taking shots at you.
Never had a problem with any of my sebs or slip-joints I know what side the sharp end is on. I use the edge to cut not the back side. I don't see the point in this nonsense.

 

[anttttt]

I thought I would try a test. I just spine wacked my Seb on the plastic arm of the chair and it closed on the first hit.
I tried again and several times after that and the blade didn't close. I tried some over strikes as well and there was no problem.
So I tried my umnaanzaan and it was good for spine wacks and over strikes. So maybe the first hit I did the lock bar slipped a bit to allow the blade to close, I am not sure. I now have some dints in the plastic so I was hitting fairly hard.
But in the video on the weight hang when the knife closed it seemed to be able to close just by leaning on it a little bit and I definitely can't close my knife just with a little pressure on the back of it without moving the lock bar. My knife is fairly new with very little use. So, it seem strange to me what happened in the video.
I will be keeping my CRK's as I like them very much.

I have a few Cold steel folders as well and I like them also.

Take care
Anthony

 

[philwar]

I am somewhat of a CS fanboi. I have no trouble admitting that. And the CRK Sebenza is the only high-end folder I ever sold, I was so unimpressed with it. So am totally biased with regards to this test and its outcome.

But I would love to hear from anyone a proposal for an objective test and comparison between these two knives. You can even disregard the fact that the Sebenza is about 3x the price.
I say the Code 4 is for all practical intents as good a knife as the Sebenza, and in my very biased view, a better one. So contrary to coming up with all these equally biased objections to the test, name me a single aspect in which the Sebenza is actually better. And don't give me the tolerances, the smoothness, etc, because those are all a lot more irrelevant than the strength and toughness of the Tri-Ad lock.

There is a reason Demko didn't want to do this test. Because there is no other folder on the market the owners of which are so irrationally, neurotically attached to. There is simply no way to break the bad news gently: the Sebenza is a horribly overpriced, overhyped folder that is easily outperformed by a knife 1/3rd the price. The emperor is wearing no clothes.
Now watch the bloodpressures rise and the heart attacks commence.

 

[kidcongo]

Did you ever think that the attachment is neither irrational nor neurotic?

People like CRK because they are great designs that perform well. The reputation is deserved.

Anyways, If a man with integrity doesn't want to do something, he doesn't do it. Simple really.

 

[bhyde]

I am somewhat of a CS fanboi. I have no trouble admitting that. And the CRK Sebenza is the only high-end folder I ever sold, I was so unimpressed with it. So am totally biased with regards to this test and its outcome.

But I would love to hear from anyone a proposal for an objective test and comparison between these two knives. You can even disregard the fact that the Sebenza is about 3x the price.
I say the Code 4 is for all practical intents as good a knife as the Sebenza, and in my very biased view, a better one. So contrary to coming up with all these equally biased objections to the test, name me a single aspect in which the Sebenza is actually better. And don't give me the tolerances, the smoothness, etc, because those are all a lot more irrelevant than the strength and toughness of the Tri-Ad lock.

There is a reason Demko didn't want to do this test. Because there is no other folder on the market the owners of which are so irrationally, neurotically attached to. There is simply no way to break the bad news gently: the Sebenza is a horribly overpriced, overhyped folder that is easily outperformed by a knife 1/3rd the price. The emperor is wearing no clothes.
Now watch the bloodpressures rise and the heart attacks commence.

Why is it that you are bringing up the price? Did you sell yours to buy 20 of what you like? It really does seem to be a big deal to you..

What is it exactly that you are trying to accomplish?

 

[Jimbo75]

I happily stated that CS with the Tri-Ad lock are engineered to account for stupid and I'm a fan of them, I have 3 , I'm not even surprised by the outcome of the testing but when you clearly don't like CRK's and make the effort to jump onto the CRK forum just to take a few cheap shots.....well, unfortunately there's no locks that account for that.... as much as you want to think you're being a good advocate of CS, you are not. It's unfortunate to see some poor advocates of CRK who responded in this thread also...I think Demko was respectful given the situation, wether their R&D needed to be public is the question.

 

[bhyde]

I happily stated that CS with the Tri-Ad lock are engineered to account for stupid and I'm a fan of them, I have 3 , I'm not even surprised by the outcome of the testing but when you clearly don't like CRK's and make the effort to jump onto the CRK forum just to take a few cheap shots.....well, unfortunately there's no locks that account for that.... as much as you want to think you're being a good advocate of CS, you are not. It's unfortunate to see some poor advocates of CRK who responded in this thread also...I think Demko was respectful given the situation, wether their R&D needed to be public is the question.

Best post so far :thumbup:
But I would get rid of the emoticon that is for W&C only

 

[ice_man]

I am somewhat of a CS fanboi. I have no trouble admitting that. And the CRK Sebenza is the only high-end folder I ever sold, I was so unimpressed with it. So am totally biased with regards to this test and its outcome.

But I would love to hear from anyone a proposal for an objective test and comparison between these two knives. You can even disregard the fact that the Sebenza is about 3x the price.
I say the Code 4 is for all practical intents as good a knife as the Sebenza, and in my very biased view, a better one. So contrary to coming up with all these equally biased objections to the test, name me a single aspect in which the Sebenza is actually better. And don't give me the tolerances, the smoothness, etc, because those are all a lot more irrelevant than the strength and toughness of the Tri-Ad lock.

There is a reason Demko didn't want to do this test. Because there is no other folder on the market the owners of which are so irrationally, neurotically attached to. There is simply no way to break the bad news gently: the Sebenza is a horribly overpriced, overhyped folder that is easily outperformed by a knife 1/3rd the price. The emperor is wearing no clothes.
Now watch the bloodpressures rise and the heart attacks commence.

As what you have said, you prefer CS knives.. Some of the people here prefer CRKs as well.

For the sake of argument, let's say that you are right about the Sebenza being outperformed by a knife 1/3rd of its price. Personally, I don't care and I will still get the Sebenza over any knife you may prefer because it is the knife I want to use.

So in conclusion, the Sebenza might be overpriced to you and lacking on "strength and toughness". But to me, it is about the only "overpriced" & "weak" knife I'd buy over and over again.

So guys, please just let others buy and use what they want. We don't have to push others on what to do or think.

 

[Jimbo75]

Best post so far :thumbup:
But I would get rid of the emoticon that is for W&C only

Bugger, that was my favourite part...

 

[Tripton]

And don't give me the tolerances, the smoothness, etc, because those are all a lot more irrelevant than the strength and toughness of the Tri-Ad lock.

To you.

There are several things about a knife that are more important to me than whether or not I can spine whack it attached to a stick.


I actually have carried an American Lawman. Quite a bit, actually. At work, where it is used hard daily, in dirty conditions. It is the grittiest opening knife I own, it is tough to open and close. The handle/cutting edge ratio sucks ass. The edge retention is only slightly better than warm American cheese.

I like a nice knife, so all of those things annoy me. My Sebenza gets carried, used hard, and has never failed me yet, ever. The lock has never failed.


Given Cold Steel's past, the stolen designs, the ridiculous claims, the crappy Chinese garbage, the superfluous lawsuits...well I have absolutely zero reason to take a SINGLE word they say seriously. They have no integrity.

 

[Vaporstang]

Did I miss it? I never saw the Cold Steel lift the weight. Did the Cold Steel chain come to full tension? I would have liked to have seen the Cold Steel lift the weight fully, but he stopped lowering the pallet jack as soon as the CRK broke in the first trial. In the second one there never was any tension in the Cold Steel set-up.

The pallet jack forks / floor / bench combination would have to be very level to get even tension. And then the fact that the chain links and pipe assembly may not be identical lengths makes having even tension more questionable. Add in different handle dimensions and angles..... One knife might be seeing a much larger load than the other. They should have switched positions of the knives for the second test. You cannot say that the Cold Steel and CRK ever saw the same loads in the first run (and the Cold Steel never saw a load in the second run).

 

[Doug C]

I say the Code 4 is for all practical intents as good a knife as the Sebenza, and in my very biased view, a better one.

Thanks !
I needed a good laugh and that was the best one all day. All week. :thumbup:

DC

 

[Jimbo75]

Did I miss it? I never saw the Cold Steel lift the weight. Did the Cold Steel chain come to full tension? I would have liked to have seen the Cold Steel lift the weight fully, but he stopped lowering the pallet jack as soon as the CRK broke in the first trial. In the second one there never was any tension in the Cold Steel set-up.

The pallet jack forks / floor / bench combination would have to be very level to get even tension. And then the fact that the chain links and pipe assembly may not be identical lengths makes having even tension more questionable. Add in different handle dimensions and angles..... One knife might be seeing a much larger load than the other. They should have switched positions of the knives for the second test. You cannot say that the Cold Steel and CRK ever saw the same loads in the first run (and the Cold Steel never saw a load in the second run).

If you watch some of their other testing on frame locks you'll see that the Sebenza did't stand a chance, the Tri-Ad is tried and tested in that weight holding test.