Cold Steel tests the Sebenza against their Cold Steel Code 4

[bhyde]

If CRK were doing these same tests, successfully, and indeed showing their lock was rock solid and the standard against which all others were compared I dare say many of you would praise CRK for standing behind their claims...

I see a double standard at work here. If the test had different results and showed the Sebenza was as strong as the CS knife many would be singing its praises.

Are you here for your pound of flesh because of a lock? You really do need to find another reason to keep your Cold Steel knives...LOLOLOL

 

[jazub]

As a 25 & Zaan owner, I found the test result to be disappointing. Bummer.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

They're hanging the weight maybe an inch from the pivot. A lot different then nearly 4" from the pivot. 180lbs at 1 inch is only 45lbs at 4".

Just to get on my tired old horse, this is part of the reason anyone doing a test like that should measure in inch pounds.

 

[dubya3]

If CRK were doing these same tests, successfully, and indeed showing their lock was rock solid and the standard against which all others were compared I dare say many of you would praise CRK for standing behind their claims...

I see a double standard at work here. If the test had different results and showed the Sebenza was as strong as the CS knife many would be singing its praises.

If this If that. CRK, nor any other respectable knife company, would make such a video so it's a mute point.

 

[johnnytoxin]

My suspicion is Lynn Thompson purchased the sebenzas, maliciously compromised the integrity of the locks, then sent them to Demko for testing without disclosing what he had done. I could very well be wrong, but something here is not right....good job cold steel, way to turn potential customers OFF to your product.

 

[Corytr]

I don't care if this was a Kershaw, Benchmade, Custom, or any other brand I'm not buying this so called "test". These "tests" are done by the originator of the "successful" lock for the 'successful' manufacturer to promote their brand without any representation from the other half of the test. A recipe for biased results in my opinion.

Fact is, we were not shown the lockup percentage or any video of the actual mechanical failure of the knife. At the very end of the video he said that he does not want to test the 25. Why is that? I don't know, but I can't help but wonder if it is be because the lockup on that knife is not as easily manipulated?

I believe that if the other manufacturer participated in this test, my questions would not be valid. Since they were not allowed to represent their product in the video, I would say any doubt or question is relevant and reasonable.

 

[sh00ter01]

Just to get on my tired old horse, this is part of the reason anyone doing a test like that should measure in inch pounds.

I'd agree with this, a standard means of measurement would help squelch confusion, like seen in the posts above.

But I think Cold Steel does their length of the handle or 4" from pivot as a means of dumbing it down. A guy sees a knife can hold 400LBS and thinks, "that's more then I weight, it'll never fail me, I could hang from it". If he sees it held 1600inch/lbs, he doesn't know what that means other then is sounds like a lot... got to remember how ignorant people can be... unfortunately...

 

[sh00ter01]

I don't care if this was a Kershaw, Benchmade, Custom, or any other brand I'm not buying this so called "test". These "tests" are done by the originator of the "successful" lock for the 'successful' manufacturer to promote their brand without any representation from the other half of the test. A recipe for biased results in my opinion.

Fact is, we were not shown the lockup percentage or any video of the actual mechanical failure of the knife. At the very end of the video he said that he does not want to test the 25. Why is that? I don't know, but I can't help but wonder if it is be because the lockup on that knife is not as easily manipulated?

I believe that if the other manufacturer participated in this test, my questions would not be valid. Since they were not allowed to represent their product in the video, I would say any doubt or question is relevant and reasonable.

He was talking about starting at 25 lbs, not the knife model.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I'd agree with this, a standard means of measurement would help squelch confusion, like seen in the posts above.

But I think Cold Steel does their length of the handle or 4" from pivot as a means of dumbing it down. A guy sees a knife can hold 400LBS and thinks, "that's more then I weight, it'll never fail me, I could hang from it". If he sees it held 1600inch/lbs, he doesn't know what that means other then is sounds like a lot... got to remember how ignorant people can be... unfortunately...

I hear you, but they should still give both. To his credit, I've watched at least one of the Demko test videos where he did give both numbers. I think it was the Hogue EX01 video.

 

[Corytr]

He was talking about starting at 25 lbs, not the knife model.

Aah, I see. My bad, that one must have gone in one ear and out the other. Thanks for clearing that up for me.:thumbup: I do stand by the rest of my post though.

 

[sh00ter01]

I hear you, but they should still give both. To his credit, I've watched at least one of the Demko test videos where he did give both numbers. I think it was the Hogue EX01 video.

Yeah, it should be standard practice for these kinds of test. I think your right about the Hogue, I believe it was mentioned because Hogue had tested the lock at 600 and something inch/lbs.

EDIT: Yeah here was the Hogue testing video that was done by Elishewitz
[video=youtube;yJ1moCHqa6E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ1moCHqa6E[/video]

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Personally, I have my doubts about the results of the test, but I'd be surprised at any malicious tampering. Not necessarily because I think X or Y person is completely above such acts (though, unless I know them personally or have solid evidence of their perfidy, I will generally give them the benefit of the doubt), but because I don't think that benefits them. Not a single person is going to watch that video and think about how great the Code 4 is, they're instead going to ask questions about the Sebenza. Even if it's for negative reasons, you don't want your consumer base paying way more attention to your competitors product as the result of an advertisement.

 

[ichor]

If CRK were doing these same tests, successfully, and indeed showing their lock was rock solid and the standard against which all others were compared I dare say many of you would praise CRK for standing behind their claims...

I see a double standard at work here. If the test had different results and showed the Sebenza was as strong as the CS knife many would be singing its praises.

+10 Amen

 

[Corytr]

+10 Amen

Oh please. Right back at you. If it was the CS (or another favorite brand) that failed others would question the results as well. Fact is, CRK doesn't do, create, or publish questionable tests like this.

 

[BronxIron]

I don't own knives from either company but it reminds me of that infomercial where someone drives an F150 over a Tupperware bowl and the bowl is intact afterwards. Super duper. Most resilient bowl ever.

 

[whp]

I don t remember this much gnashing of teeth when my favorite edc, the pm2, was defeated by the cold steel model in these tests.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I don t remember this much gnashing of teeth when my favorite edc, the pm2, was defeated by the cold steel model in these tests.

To be fair, there was quite a bit of it. You may not have caught the thread it was in, but some people were definitely pretty annoyed by the whole thing.

 

[Dhbranum]

I don't have the patience to read through all the posts, but have read about half. What am I missing? The knife failed a test with weight on the knife pulling in the close direction? What would I be doing with a knife that would need to withstand that direction of pressure? So your car can go 0 to 60 in 2 seconds in reverse. When am I going to need to do that?

I don't want to appear ignorant, but like I said, what am I missing?

 

[Corytr]

Watch the last few seconds of the video where he defeats the lock by hand. No way is the lock this weak.

 

[Sosa]

I don't have the patience to read through all the posts, but have read about half. What am I missing? The knife failed a test with weight on the knife pulling in the close direction? What would I be doing with a knife that would need to withstand that direction of pressure? So your car can go 0 to 60 in 2 seconds in reverse. When am I going to need to do that?

I don't want to appear ignorant, but like I said, what am I missing?

There have been instances of people needing to forcefully pierce something in an emergency.