Cold Steel's new items

[bubinga]

We sell so much Cold Steel that I have to think even the "haters" are buying it!

Anyone care to 'fess up?

The one time I got to meet LT he seemed calm and very pleasant--none of that "Billy Mays" stuff at all. I was sort of disappointed! Maybe if I had a side of beef on me?

 

[cziv]

I fess that I own and really like 2 Large Voyagers 1 clip & 1 Tanto plain edge, plus a 4" Zytel Ti-Lite for stabbing zombies.

What I really want is a Recon 1 in Spearpoint w/o serrations - not to be found to date? Why only 1/2 serrated in that blade??

When I started buying knives for real, around 1989, I thought Cold Steel was a very high end product and had never heard of more expensive knives. I think they're a high end value now in several models.

 

[Joe Talmadge]

Actually, having a couple of days to look at it, I think that I mostly hate the way their folder line has evolved, with the exception of the lock, which as a lockback fan I find very interesting. I find the fixed blades and machetes still interesting...

 

[Cotherion]

Anyone know if the voyager series now has screws or rivets? I feel if it's still rivets then they have disappointed me.

If they are rivets then the Recon or Rajah series are my choices. I hate non adjustable pivots.

By the way, anyone who knows me know that I'm a CS lover so I'm not bashing CS.

 

[Ankerson]

Can't tell yet.

 

[wolfmann601]

Too-shay!!!!

3G, I laughed so hard I spit spleen outta my nose!!

Rat1, what an honest fella

 

[DemkoKnives]

Anyone know if the voyager series now has screws or rivets? I feel if it's still rivets then they have disappointed me.

If they are rivets then the Recon or Rajah series are my choices. I hate non adjustable pivots.

By the way, anyone who knows me know that I'm a CS lover so I'm not bashing CS.

screws

 

[symphonyincminor]

:thumbup: to Cold Steel for producing and evolving their product line for 2010.

Of the few Cold Steel knives I've owned, each has come very sharp with clean bevels & grinds. Marketing aside, I think you get a very good value with most of their product line. My $50 Carbon V SRK has seen a lot of use/abuse and it's still going - I'm sure it'll give me a lifetime's worth of use.

SRK San Mai :thumbup:
Been waiting for a satin-finished version of this... looks great! Is this production staying in Japan?

Large clip point Voyager :thumbup:
Not liking the handle design - but loving the flat-ground San Mai blade and upgraded lock. Aluminum liners is another plus as it keeps the weight down while adding rigidity over the previous all-Zytel handle. If you made this with G-10 scales I'd buy 6 of them...

 

[knarfeng]

What kind of steel is 1055 carbon?

A mid carbon steel good for throwing knives or other extremely rough usage. Not famous for edge holding, however.
(Good for hockey masked games, as well.)

 

[shotgunner11]

CS did that and you can remember all the posts over the years of people bashing them for copying X,Yor Z's designs, and they didn't have to be close either, just kinda like.

Soooooo now they are going out and making their own different ones as in completely different than what is out there now.

Yeah well, there are far worse things going on than someone simply appreciating a design enough to want to do their own version of it after modifying it enough to still stand out as unique. Copying patterns has been going on for many many generations in knives all the way back to the earliest days of knife making. Randall knives have been copied for umteen years, so have Marbles and for that matter, Case used to copy each other and they were brothers often times fighting between themselves over how the other got a pattern and so on. Buck with the 110 folder has had it copied repeatedly to this day by competitors but for some reason when certain individuals come out with a concept knife based on another pattern they saw and liked by someone else, even when the knives are done so there are very distinct differences between the original and the ones copied based on the concept it is not seen as flattering but instead viewed as theft.

Schrade copied Buck quite blatantly with the LB7 when they came out with it and the distint differences between the two are nil yet no one blinked an eye really but if Cold Steel does a pattern similar to someone elses design all the sudden the sky is falling. Its not like they stamped it with the original name and logo trying to pass it off as an original on ebay like some companies do with Emerson knives and some other brands. That is the line I draw personally but still some feel differently and thats fine. Nothing you can do about that really. Cold Steel is not alone in being accused of IP issues. BenchMade has come up a time or three with this too as well as other companies I could think of. It doesn't make it right but it does seem to be a hot issue with some. The real hard to answer question is how much has it hurt anyone really and how would you prove this if you think it did hurt you when a knife was done that seemed to reflect a design you came up with? About all you can do is piss and moan about it making a stink unless you want to go broke trying to prove in court your IP was stolen. I think Cold Steel had to settle on the Axis Lock clone they did but to my knowledge thats the only one. Are there others?

STR

Have to disagree on this one. Granted, it's hard to make a knife that doesn't look like an existing design but Cold Steel has very blatently robbed designs in the past, not just in general shape but style as well, to the point that you could put the Cold Steel directly next to the original and have a hard time telling the difference.

But....

screws

The past is the past and this fellow is helping Cold Steel to turn a new leaf and come out with very original designs.

I hope the trend continues.

 

[Ankerson]

Have to disagree on this one. Granted, it's hard to make a knife that doesn't look like an existing design but Cold Steel has very blatently robbed designs in the past, not just in general shape but style as well, to the point that you could put the Cold Steel directly next to the original and have a hard time telling the difference.

But....



The past is the past and this fellow is helping Cold Steel to turn a new leaf and come out with very original designs.

I hope the trend continues.

And others have robbed some of Cold Steels designs, but we are not going to rehash that argument here, beating a dead horse.

I also like the way things are going now. :thumbup:

 

[shotgunner11]

And others have robbed some of Cold Steels designs, but we are not going to rehash that argument here, beating a dead horse.

Very true, very true.....

But we don't want to completely forget the past now do we?

Like I said earlier, I plan on giving CS a fresh chance and let the sleeping dogs lie....for the most part.

I wish they had kept the drop point tanto tip from the old Recon 1, that was the only "tanto" style I really liked.

Oh well.

 

[Ankerson]

Very true, very true.....

But we don't want to completely forget the past now do we?

Like I said earlier, I plan on giving CS a fresh chance and let the sleeping dogs lie....for the most part.

I wish they had kept the drop point tanto tip from the old Recon 1, that was the only "tanto" style I really liked.

Oh well.

I don't forget either and we really shouldn't, but we also need to look at the future and what great things that it will bring us. :thumbup:

I liked the older tantos better too.

I am a sucker for drop points.

 

[Cotherion]

screws

You have just made my day :thumbup:

San Mai III, Tri-AD lock, improved handle ergos (compared with old guardless voyagers) and now screw construction! Now I gotta wait for the street price

PS: Soo many choices, soo little cash... Cold Steel should intro installment plan
PSPS: Soo diggin the polypropylene tomahawk.

 

[misterjuiceman]

You have just made my day :thumbup:

San Mai III, Tri-AD lock, improved handle ergos (compared with old guardless voyagers) and now screw construction! Now I gotta wait for the street price

PS: Soo many choices, soo little cash... Cold Steel should intro installment plan
PSPS: Soo diggin the polypropylene tomahawk.

I've been meaning to ask...what the heck is San Mai III?

 

[Cotherion]

I've been meaning to ask...what the heck is San Mai III?

San is 3. Mai I'm not sure . Laminated steel of 3 layers. The two outer layer is normally of tougher and more corrosion resistant steel and the core or middle layer is of harder material. In this case I think the Cold Steel version is of two layers of 420 steel on the outside and with a core of VG-1.

It is said to be an improvement of the old fully VG-1 voyagers that the corrosion resistance is better. In addition it is reputed that the lateral strength of the san mai with VG-1 core is better than a pure VG-1 blade (on the direction if you want to snap the blade). I'm unsure about this one but the corrosion resistance issue is logical.

Another benefit of combination/composite/laminated design is cost saving I have always thought. Kershaw used composite blades where the cutting edge is of more exquisite material to reduce cost and also for aesthetic reasons.

Overall, I like it. Looks cool. And hope it's not too expensive. I'm cutting down on beer and rice (I'm not from the US) just to maintain my steel addiction

PS: I'm not sure but I think the III is because it's the 3rd generation of the San Mai design for Cold Steel.
PSPS: Other notable laminated blades are the Becker necker with SG2 core, Kershaw Ti JYD2 with SG2 core, and Fallknivens VG-10.

 

[jill jackson]

I've been meaning to ask...what the heck is San Mai III?

Here's Cold Steel's FAQ
http://www.coldsteel.com/faqs.html#VG1 stainless

 

[misterjuiceman]

Here's Cold Steel's FAQ
http://www.coldsteel.com/faqs.html#VG1 stainless

thanks for the link. I actually googled San Mai III and found that, but it didn't mention the steels that were being used, so I was kind of confused.

San is 3. Mai I'm not sure . Laminated steel of 3 layers. The two outer layer is normally of tougher and more corrosion resistant steel and the core or middle layer is of harder material. In this case I think the Cold Steel version is of two layers of 420 steel on the outside and with a core of VG-1.

It is said to be an improvement of the old fully VG-1 voyagers that the corrosion resistance is better. In addition it is reputed that the lateral strength of the san mai with VG-1 core is better than a pure VG-1 blade (on the direction if you want to snap the blade). I'm unsure about this one but the corrosion resistance issue is logical.

Another benefit of combination/composite/laminated design is cost saving I have always thought. Kershaw used composite blades where the cutting edge is of more exquisite material to reduce cost and also for aesthetic reasons.

Overall, I like it. Looks cool. And hope it's not too expensive. I'm cutting down on beer and rice (I'm not from the US) just to maintain my steel addiction

PS: I'm not sure but I think the III is because it's the 3rd generation of the San Mai design for Cold Steel.
PSPS: Other notable laminated blades are the Becker necker with SG2 core, Kershaw Ti JYD2 with SG2 core, and Fallknivens VG-10.

thanks for the explanation. I wonder why they go to all of the trouble of laminating VG-1 and 420. is using pure ATS-34 or VG-10 really that much more expensive? I know a lot of companies/makers use ATS-34 to laminate a ZDP-189 core, so I'd imagine pure ATS-34 would be just as tough, and have better edge-holding than the San Mai III laminate.

 

[Cotherion]

thanks for the explanation. I wonder why they go to all of the trouble of laminating VG-1 and 420. is using pure ATS-34 or VG-10 really that much more expensive? I know a lot of companies/makers use ATS-34 to laminate a ZDP-189 core, so I'd imagine pure ATS-34 would be just as tough, and have better edge-holding than the San Mai III laminate.

No problem. I like to participate in discussions

Well in cases where the core metal is expensive (like ZDP189 or s90v) then there is savings but VG-1 is not so expensive in the first place so I too am ?!?!?!

Given a choice I'd go for full VG-1 with the new handle cause I don't want to spend unnecessarily. For me the old VG-1 is good enough in corrosion and edge holding. But since I'm not the deciding man in Cold Steel's company I have decided to think positively with what's happened and look on the good aspects.

Like how pretty is the line on the San Mai III blade where you can see the two different metals... How pretty and shiny... It feels so space age and upgraded and I can chop my tomatoes with much more speed and precision! Around double the old cost and all worth it, look at my tomatoes! I think they are sweeter too

See, positive thinking helps

 

[STR]

Very true, very true.....

But we don't want to completely forget the past now do we?

Like I said earlier, I plan on giving CS a fresh chance and let the sleeping dogs lie....for the most part.

I wish they had kept the drop point tanto tip from the old Recon 1, that was the only "tanto" style I really liked.

Oh well.

Exactly. I can't blame Ford Motor Company today for what Henry may have done back in his day. Its fine to remember and all but it really has little relevance to the company today, the people working there, or the products they make and sell to the world.

By the way I don't mean to sound as if I condone IP theft when it occurs. I don't condone it and I feel for those that have suffered from this. I just don't see it as unique to one company or one person in this industry.

Good thread guys. Lots of good talk and apparently some excitement for Cold Steel's 2010 line up. We had a couple trying areas keeping it on track but overall this has been one of the better more sedate and more productive threads on Cold Steel in memory. Lets keep it that way. :thumbup:

STR