Concerns About Survive! Business and Misleading Lead Time Estimates

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@TNVOL1969 - I'd wager that your guess about the Survive folks being happy and/or that the business is balanced is way off the mark. As a small business owner myself, I can assert with huge confidence that if I had a year or more worth of liabilities to service before being able to meaningfully take on more sales, I'd be losing a *lot* of sleep. It's a rough position to find a business in, and it's exactly what creates the cash flow restrictions that sink otherwise great businesses. And it almost always comes from bad forecasting and cost overruns (which, I'd wager, is what's driving the cost increases moving forward - and I still think it'll be an underpriced product).

Aside from the fact that you like their knives (safe to say that we all do), what analysis are you using to arrive at your huge confidence that they're doing just fine?

Of course none of us know what their internal finances are like, but outwardly they are acting like a cash-strapped business that's trying to clamour their way out of a massive backlog - which is a very risky and tenuous place to be.


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Hey, I really genuinely hope that all of us prognosticating trouble are dead wrong.

Sadly I think that at a minimum, S! Has some rough seas ahead. Sucks, but there it is.


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Making utterly absurd statements demonstrating you have less then zero understanding of business is what is funny.

Timichango, there is an important caveat to be made in your statements. CREDENTIALS=CREDIBILITY..

Seeing how we are all armchair fans, and critics weighing in on Business. No two opinions carry the same credibility here. It helps to "consider the source". One person may have only ever lived off a 9to5 job as a laborer getting paid weekly from a boss they never even met, another as a small business owner that had to intimately and directly know every facet of business to survive. To be blunt "credentials" really do matter when on this topic. Without disclosed credentials, you could have a doctor arguing medical advice with a hypochondriac online to a crowd that wrongly giving them both equal credence.
 
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Silver Needle said:
Agree or disagree on whatever you want, but let's just be nice about it.
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No need for a PC police. It's not a "nice topic" to begin with so not everything is going to be rainbows and unicorns. Just strikes me as odd to imply a bunch of dudes that spend 100's on survival knives are fragile flowers that have to always keep a conversation "nice". But yes, I do agree with you on being civil, respectful and refraining from personal insults or attacks. If someone says SOMETHING I SAY is absurd and then outlays why they believe so, I would find that respectful and appropriate. Now, if they want to compare me to hemorrhoid, call me names like a baby whiner, have my posts censored, then yes I agree that is not civil. So you mayyyy just want to steer that selective timing critique elsewhere.
 
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I have had nothing but great experience with Survive and all my orders, pre-orders and communications. So have most of my friends.

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If survive pulls through, and not only satisfies all of their obligations, but also modifies their business practices to eliminate wait times and money-up-front for unmade knives, then everybody wins.

If they don't, and the fallout sinks them, everybody loses.

It's painful, but sometimes pointing out uncomfortable truths helps everyone involved avoid calamity.

Ignoring perceived problems has a way of precipitating bad outcomes.


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This thread is getting old quick...
Aren't you guys tired of saying the same thing over and over again?
We hear you, you are panicked at the idea that Survive will: screw you over, declare bankruptcy, ship out knives before the one you ordered etc...
 
Revolverrodger said:
This thread is getting old quick...
Aren't you guys tired of saying the same thing over and over again?
We hear you, you are panicked at the idea that Survive will: screw you over, declare bankruptcy, ship out knives before the one you ordered etc...
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Get out of here and go to the 4.1 thread and tell me if I did the right thing getting a 20CV one! :D
 
Not my first rodeo and I knew what to expect going in. I don't know why you argue it everything someone differs in opinion. These are all opinions in here.

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Revolverrodger said:
This thread is getting old quick...
Aren't you guys tired of saying the same thing over and over again?
We hear you, you are panicked at the idea that Survive will: screw you over, declare bankruptcy, ship out knives before the one you ordered etc...
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Amen

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Revolverrodger said:
This thread is getting old quick...
Aren't you guys tired of saying the same thing over and over again?
We hear you, you are panicked at the idea that Survive will: screw you over, declare bankruptcy, ship out knives before the one you ordered etc...
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I'm pretty sure I'm going to get my factory second. I'm way more concerned that the folks with a grand in preorders will not get their purchases.


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Revolverrodger said:
This thread is getting old quick...
Aren't you guys tired of saying the same thing over and over again?
We hear you, you are panicked at the idea that Survive will: screw you over, declare bankruptcy, ship out knives before the one you ordered etc...
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You know I love ya, man. In 2015 I would have taken all this as complaints from individuals. Since we're in October of 2016 and things are in the state they are with how much of the preorders have been shipped and how far out my GSO 6 is, I think it is a discussion worth having.
 
Silver Needle said:
You know I love ya, man. In 2015 I would have taken all this as complaints from individuals. Since we're in October of 2016 and things are in the state they are with how much of the preorders have been shipped and how far out my GSO 6 is, I think it is a discussion worth having.
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I love you too buddy !
But I think we need to trust Guy and Ellie to do the right thing
In the end we will all get our knives and use them hard !
 
After all this dust clears,, I'll be one of the happy guys holding a Survive!
Oh wait,, Im already one of them :D

But seriously, can wait for those Ugly Betty GSO 8's to make an appearance.

Guy and Ellie, keep chipping away at it,, thanks for your hard work :thumbup:
 
Revolverrodger said:
I love you too buddy !
But I think we need to trust Guy and Ellie to do the right thing
In the end we will all get our knives and use them hard !
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I agree, I think in the end we will all get our knives. It would just be nice to actually know when that will be. Realistic, honest and definite deadlines isn't much to ask for.
 
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