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Consecrating A Knife In The Pagan Tradition
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No, when referring to Christ, I state "Christ," not X. When referring to those who profess belief in him I state Xtian. 
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Use knife, cut self, bitch about how sharp the knife is, use knife, continue to use knife, dull knife, give away dull knife because I can't seem to sharpen knife...knife consecrated...lol
Ok, so I'm learning to sharpen them before I give them away...
(seriously though, as a 'I don't believe in his god/your god/any god kinda guy that's real partial to nature and tasty animals'...why is it that my used knives almost seem dull to the touch, but cut like hell?)
Mel
Ok, so I'm learning to sharpen them before I give them away...
(seriously though, as a 'I don't believe in his god/your god/any god kinda guy that's real partial to nature and tasty animals'...why is it that my used knives almost seem dull to the touch, but cut like hell?)
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as a christian, i almost always refer to myself as an "xian" when typing. there is no disrespect in the shortening (unless it's intended). X is actually the first Greek letter in Christos, or Christ. X has been used as Christ's first initial for centuries. people who use X in place of Christ aren't actually cheapening the phrase, they're simply reinforcing a time-worn abbreviation.
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Uath,
You strike me as the type of guy that would write "HOCKEY BLOWS" on your shirt right before walking into a Canadian bar for a Jack & Coke.
You know what's funny? I had a lot of potential EDC folders but I went with the one that cut me when I was playing with it.
Weird...
You strike me as the type of guy that would write "HOCKEY BLOWS" on your shirt right before walking into a Canadian bar for a Jack & Coke.
You know what's funny? I had a lot of potential EDC folders but I went with the one that cut me when I was playing with it.
Weird...
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I know one thing. If this thread was the other way-about Christian rituals, or Jewish rituals, or Moslem rituals,etc. people would be moaning that religion is inappropriate here in this forum.
Uath,
Are you sure its a good idea to go around volunteering information? If I remember my rede well, part of it says to keep that sort of stuff to yourself unless asked.
Yeah, I know, Do what you will, and it harm none.
Consider that for a minute. You may not get burned at the stake, but skewered by public opinion could be just as bad.
BB
Are you sure its a good idea to go around volunteering information? If I remember my rede well, part of it says to keep that sort of stuff to yourself unless asked.
Yeah, I know, Do what you will, and it harm none.
Consider that for a minute. You may not get burned at the stake, but skewered by public opinion could be just as bad.
BB
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I think uath's thread is okay...I for one have always been keen to find out more about rituals concerning knives. There are consecration rites in relation to kerises too, bordering on annimistic/hinduistic and now islamic rites. For. eg, a local keris shop is carrying out a an annual "blessing" on kerises right about this time of the calendar, to coincide with the moslem new year. For those of you who don't know, many antique kerises (especially those made for the "warrior class ie. meant for killing/war" possess supernatural powers, whether you believe it or not. We're multi-cultural and multi-religion over here in Singapore.
I heard that there are rites concerning katanas too. Anyone care to share?
I heard that there are rites concerning katanas too. Anyone care to share?
A person's beliefs are their own.
Uath's thread is no more offensive than the sig lines here quoting bible verses.
That being said, cosecration is usually only done on knives used for ritual pratice.
Would anyone here hold it against a soldier if he had his battle blade "blessed"?
Paul
Uath's thread is no more offensive than the sig lines here quoting bible verses.
That being said, cosecration is usually only done on knives used for ritual pratice.
Would anyone here hold it against a soldier if he had his battle blade "blessed"?
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Chuck: I knew someone was going to mention the peculiar initiation for balisongs.
PWork: I wouldn't hold it against him, but I'd think he had his priorities misplaced. It's not his blade that needs God's blessing, but the hand and mind that guide it. The way I would literally look at that specific example is like this: If his blade needs a blessing to perform well, he should have brought a better blade.
I don't consider a knife 'initiated' (usually for EDC use) unless: I reach for it before any other knife and feel naked without it; I have used it for eating; I have dropped it on the floor accidentally; I have cut myself on it and drawn blood (it's not a laceration unless it bleeds, hahahaha). The last part about cuts is somewhat optional for folders, but is mandatory for balisongs.
PWork: I wouldn't hold it against him, but I'd think he had his priorities misplaced. It's not his blade that needs God's blessing, but the hand and mind that guide it. The way I would literally look at that specific example is like this: If his blade needs a blessing to perform well, he should have brought a better blade.
I don't consider a knife 'initiated' (usually for EDC use) unless: I reach for it before any other knife and feel naked without it; I have used it for eating; I have dropped it on the floor accidentally; I have cut myself on it and drawn blood (it's not a laceration unless it bleeds, hahahaha). The last part about cuts is somewhat optional for folders, but is mandatory for balisongs.
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Hey, those Pagans can do what they please...Incense...water...but SALT AND WATER on a knife? That's desecrating a knife! 
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Spyken,
There are indeed many rituals involving the sword. First of all, Im speaking from a European tradition. The Normans, following a custom that they themselves considered ancient, gave their sons a sword when they turned 13. Remember the Normans were the first to perfect tempering. They had extreme penalties for loosing, let alone selling, any of their steel work. I gave my own son a sword when he turned 13. I made sure it was unopened. The first hand to touch it was his. Without making any sort of deal about it, I had my dad, my son, and I, go outside and open the last package. Now theres a blade with magic.
What excites me most is the breakthrough in DNA research. With significant samplings taken in all corners of the globe, our own DNA identity can be identified. In other words Where you came from, takes on a whole new meaning.
For example, if my DNA most closely matched an average DNA sampling taken from people who were native to Wales. For the first time, we would truly recognize our ancestral roots. Now I could research the mythology of the Welch people and recognize my ancestral deities.
There are indeed many rituals involving the sword. First of all, Im speaking from a European tradition. The Normans, following a custom that they themselves considered ancient, gave their sons a sword when they turned 13. Remember the Normans were the first to perfect tempering. They had extreme penalties for loosing, let alone selling, any of their steel work. I gave my own son a sword when he turned 13. I made sure it was unopened. The first hand to touch it was his. Without making any sort of deal about it, I had my dad, my son, and I, go outside and open the last package. Now theres a blade with magic.
What excites me most is the breakthrough in DNA research. With significant samplings taken in all corners of the globe, our own DNA identity can be identified. In other words Where you came from, takes on a whole new meaning.
For example, if my DNA most closely matched an average DNA sampling taken from people who were native to Wales. For the first time, we would truly recognize our ancestral roots. Now I could research the mythology of the Welch people and recognize my ancestral deities.
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Originally posted by lifter4Him
I know one thing. If this thread was the other way-about Christian rituals, or Jewish rituals, or Moslem rituals,etc. people would be moaning that religion is inappropriate here in this forum.
How sure are you of that? The guy is talking about what he does to consecrate a knife, he's not giving a sermon.
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Rituals in general, true. But Mr. Uath isn't sharing rituals in general, just rituals involving knives. Knives are part of our lives. So is religion. When the two intersect, then that becomes a topic of interest for this forum.
Mr. Utah isn't proselytizing. He's offering a topic for discussion.
Off hand, I'm not aware of any Christian rituals that involve knives. But, then again, I'm Lutheran; despite being a liturgical church, we're not much into rituals. The idea of God as a sort of vending machine -- if you put a certain coin in the slot and press the right series of buttons, God will dispense a Butterfinger Bar for you; but if you goof up and press the wrong button, God will be compelled to curse you with a Mars Bar from the adjacent slot -- doesn't fit with protestant theology. But, having used the T word, I'm now running dangerously close to proselytizing myself. So, I'll shut up and see if others want to share anything about the blade-related rituals of other religions.
Hi Guys
I have stayed out of this until now but, what Utah is presenting is nothing more than neo-pagan twaddle. Any bookshop has populist works on so-called magick ostensibly derived from ancient sources( Egypt, Druids Atlantis etc)None of it has any basis in fact.The druid connection is almost laughable as the culture that spawned tham was ,on the whole, non literate. The subsequent statements regarding swords also beggar belief, read some serious academic worksregarding these matters not the contents of the local New Age bookshop.
Sheeezzzz!!!!
Phil
PS On the other hand, the fact that such beliefs are able to be dicussed is almost entirely due to the application of Christian principles.
I have stayed out of this until now but, what Utah is presenting is nothing more than neo-pagan twaddle. Any bookshop has populist works on so-called magick ostensibly derived from ancient sources( Egypt, Druids Atlantis etc)None of it has any basis in fact.The druid connection is almost laughable as the culture that spawned tham was ,on the whole, non literate. The subsequent statements regarding swords also beggar belief, read some serious academic worksregarding these matters not the contents of the local New Age bookshop.
Sheeezzzz!!!!
Phil
PS On the other hand, the fact that such beliefs are able to be dicussed is almost entirely due to the application of Christian principles.
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Catholicism requires a Bishop to consecrate, or a priest to bless, an object.
I don't know if any of this applies to knives; but, here is a good general read on the subject. I particularly found the section V. CONSECRATION OF A CHALICE AND PATEN interesting. Notice that the object will lose its consecration when it is damaged/worn beyond a certain point.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04276a.htm
n2s
I don't know if any of this applies to knives; but, here is a good general read on the subject. I particularly found the section V. CONSECRATION OF A CHALICE AND PATEN interesting. Notice that the object will lose its consecration when it is damaged/worn beyond a certain point.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04276a.htm
n2s