Consecrating A Knife In The Pagan Tradition

its still debateable, but many scientists believe for hundreds if not thousands of years the only Iron available to humanity was from Meteors, wrought out of heavenly fire itself. It would be no surprise to believe rutuals were performed for each and every blade made from the iron of a Meteor. i think there are several tons of meteor in the great pyramids at Giza as well, tribute to the Pharoahs.
when you see the tops of iron fences, and Iron gates, those spikes that run along the top were actualy knives, sharpened to keep out evil spirits. KNives were considered to be the best defense against the spirit world, and i think it is against Shiva the destroyer that a Sword is plunged into the ground to protect the house against the evil.
Knives are still placed under the pillow of people ill in much of the Mid-east. A gift of a Knife from Father to Son is a ritual of passage, for a Knife can clothe, feed, house, the family.
A good Knifemaker was once the wealthiest person in the village, he could command high prices for his labor. The knifemakers guild was once the most powerfull in all Europe, until the secrets of metal working leaked, and technology could replicate knives.
Knives have a fascinating history, its no wonder they evoke something in us. its in our DNA.
 
Originally posted by fullplate
Hi Guys
I have stayed out of this until now but, what Utah is presenting is nothing more than neo-pagan twaddle. Any bookshop has populist works on so-called magick ostensibly derived from ancient sources( Egypt, Druids Atlantis etc)None of it has any basis in fact.The druid connection is almost laughable as the culture that spawned tham was ,on the whole, non literate. The subsequent statements regarding swords also beggar belief, read some serious academic worksregarding these matters not the contents of the local New Age bookshop.
Sheeezzzz!!!!
Phil

PS On the other hand, the fact that such beliefs are able to be discussed is almost entirely due to the application of Christian principles.
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Yeah, this is exactly why I originally posted my first reply to Uath's thread. Fullplate, just because you do not believe what you refer to as "neo-pagan twaddle" doesn't mean you have to invalidate Uath's beliefs or anyone else's.

You say, "The druid connection is almost laughable as the culture that spawned them was, on the whole, non literate." You need to read up on your history a bit more for the Celts had an alphabet called Ogham just as the Germanic tribes had Runes. While much of the lore was verbal they indeed had an alphabet which was used in divination and other religious purposes. You also seem to ignore the fact that the "Church" kept most of Europe illiterate during the Middle Ages save for clergy and those they taught to read and write. Since you're a Kiwi, let me ask you this: Just how literate were the Maori when British settlers colonized New Zealand? Would their tribal beliefs be laughable as well?

You also said: "the fact that such beliefs are able to be dicussed is almost entirely due to the application of Christian principles."

Well sir, I beg to differ. The fact that such topics can be discussed openly is because of a separation of church and state. If any "religious organization" had control of the rights of each individual, we'd be burned alive for heresy, witchcraft, or just for being heathens. I have many Christian friends whom I cherish and respect and none force their faith down my throught, so please don't lord yours over Uath's. Uath practices his Celtic derived beliefs, you practice yours. My God carries a hammer, yours was nailed to a cross, get the picture?

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Good analysis Superchunk. Freedom of religion only derives from a state that frees itself from religion. Then the people of the culture may hold a diverse mythology or even be free from such primitive behavior.

Christianity has a very poor record regarding freedom of belief. See the crusades, the inquisition, the conflict in Ulster, etc. How many died because they thought they were merely symbolically cannibalizing Christ rather than eating the truely transmogrified body of Christ? How many Jews were burned at the stake for not converting?

Hopefully, the various religious heirarchies and their followers will learn to live and let live.
 
The Nepalese makers of the khukuri have some interesting rituals when making blades...I'm going off of dim memory here, but I belive they used to blood the blade with a live chicken, but now just do it with an egg in a ritual fashion....
 
If you are a real knife knut in one way or another we consecrate our knives. Golnick to say knives aren't something special today depreciates the art of knives. When you get a new knife, if you're a real knife knut you will sit down quitely somewhere and fondle it, play with it, admire it and do it all again - in other words you consecrate it. When it comes down to knives are religion it themselves to knife knuts, the same as cars are to others or what ever you are into.

The knife in itself is mystical and there are many rituals involving knives in many cultures. The makers of knives also were believed and some still believe are special people because they take fire, air, water and the elements and produce an object of beauty. We should revere the knifemakers and consecrate their products in whatever way we want to. Remember the constellation Ursa Major, the great she bear - it is said the stars represent the skulls of seven smiths so a simple form of consecration would be take your knife out on a clear night and point it at the constellation and become one with the knife.

It comes down to whatever makes you happy. Knives are special and not common place that's why we have this forum.

May the Goddess be with you.
 
I am glad to see Utah's comments. It's great to see other religious ideas flourish in the face of the US Christian right. With a selection of religious mythologies, each person can choose and monetarily support a religion that agrees with them. Or reject all religion. The Pagan religions offer a more nurturing view of the natural world and man's relation to it and adds to the mix.

Cosmic Superchunk has it right that religious freedom derives from a separation of church and state. And he has some strong supporters of his position ie US President James Madison among others.....

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."

-James Madison (from Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785)
 
My knives become consacrated the first time I fondle them while taking a dump
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Great, now that image is going to haunt me every time I think about buying a knife off a formite. You better only hold it in the LEFT hand. :D :eek: :barf:
 
This is an interesting topic. I think that each and every one of us consecrates our knives a certain way. Uath provides us with a topic that he is educated on and in turn allows everyone else to provide input. That is bladeforums.
 
Originally posted by allyourblood
as a christian, i almost always refer to myself as an "xian" when typing. there is no disrespect in the shortening (unless it's intended). X is actually the first Greek letter in Christos, or Christ. X has been used as Christ's first initial for centuries. people who use X in place of Christ aren't actually cheapening the phrase, they're simply reinforcing a time-worn abbreviation.

abe m.
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Interesting, I never heard that before. Carry on. :)

I guess I'd say I consecrate my knives with blood...guess that means my Benza remains unconsecrated, and my Nav is consecrated enough for two. :eek:

Ash
 
Hi Guys
Superchuck, my history is actually pretty good. If you read my post carefully you will see that I said ""on the whole non-literate", I am well aware of rune and Ogham lore.I also stand behind my statement regarding freedoms we now consider basic human rights. I f i feel the need to consecrate some inanimate object in any way it will not be using a fabricated ritual that I ascribe to long dead priests of an extinct religion.As for the Maori I have no time for , or intrest in their belief system.If they require such things to validate themselves in a modern world they should be free to do so.The Maori traditions were mainly oral allied wth the use of carved and woven motifs.There was no written language.
 
Originally posted by fullplate
I also stand behind my statement regarding freedoms we now consider basic human rights. If i feel the need to consecrate some inanimate object in any way it will not be using a fabricated ritual that I ascribe to long dead priests of an extinct religion.
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No problem, you can consecrate an inanimate object by fabricating any ritual you like. Christianity has borrowed heavily from those "extinct religions" in fabricating their rituals around pagan and heathen customs like Easter, Haloween and Xmas.

To each his own.
 
Originally posted by Matteo Escobar
Have a nice time in Hell!!!:) :) :)
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Ah, a fine example of those Christian principles that Fullplate was talking about.

Thanks Matteo, it is very kind of you to wish me well in the afterlife. Although, my view of Hel and your view of Hell are quite different. Hey, you never know. I may end up in Valhalla. ;)
 
It always comes down to the nitty gritty doesn't it. If you do not believe in the so-called christian values you will end up in hell - what a wonderful ethic. Of course if you don't believe in the christian values it doesn't matter because there is no hell as there is no heaven. Why is it that the christians had to invent hell in the first place?
 
Druidism was introduced fairly late into the Celtic world. Julius Caesar wrote about the Druids in 65 BCE. Probably, they’re religious tradition migrated from Gaul not more than five or six hundred years before that. The real root of the Indo-European gods may be traced to the Caucasus Mts., primarily in Soviet Georgia.
Remember, the Mycenaean Greeks, the Etruscan Romans, and the Phoenicians, not to mention the wandering Celtic and Germanic tribes were all a part of the same gene-stock. They share a common root language and originally shared a common god pantheon.

Lord of animals, Earth:
Celtic; Cernunnos, the Horned One (A horned god turned up in a cave painting in France, 20,000 BCE)
Germanic; Ing, Freyr,
Greek; Pan

Lord of Sky:
Celtic; Tarranis (Thunderer), Succubus (Good Striker)
Germanic; Dunar, Thor, Wotan, Odin (Thor and Odin exchanged roles depending on the tribe)
Greek; Zeus

Lord of Light, Fire, Sun:
Celtic; Lugh, Das Pater
Germanic; Balder
Greek; Apollo

Lord of Water, Ocean:
Celtic; Nodins
Germanic; Njorn
Greek; Poseidon

Evil, Trickster:
Celtic; Bricarue
Germanic; Loki
Greek; Ares

Earth Goddesses:
Celtic; Epona
Germanic; Frigg
Greek; Diana

Supreme Goddess:
Celtic; Brigit
Germanic; Freya
Greek; Hera (most would say Athena)
 
this thread's getting a little too hot. let's all just mellow out a bit. there's no need to start ragging on ANYONE'S religion, PERIOD. we are all free to believe what we like, and practice what we like. back to knives, PLEASE!!!

abe m.
 
Originally posted by JDEEBLADE
Why is it that the christians had to invent hell in the first place?
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If I recall correctly, the Hebrew word "Sheol" simply meant "place of death" or perhaps more accurately "a state of being dead." The Greek word "Hades" was the abode of the dead. There was no fiery place of torture there.

Now, the English word "Hell" obviously comes from the Norse "Hel" who was the daughter of Loki and ruled the realm of the dead in Niflheim. By Odin's decree she was to look after the all those who died of illness or old age. Again, not a place of fiery punishment.

Xtians base their "Hell" on the word "Gehenna" a place of fiery torment or suffering based on the "Ravine of Hinnom" in the southwest of Jerusalem used for burning the corpses of criminals, animals, and refuse. This was also a place where the Ammonites worshiped a god called Moloch which involved human sacrifice by fire. Naturally, in time Xtians would preach that all evil-doers and non-believers would burn for eternity as punishment.


Okay, enough of the history lesson. Like Gollnick said, it's about rituals not theology.
 
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