Consecrating A Knife In The Pagan Tradition

This is getting so ridiculous. Everyone just shutup and find another thread so that this tedious theism crap can cease. This is the last thread I'd expect to get this far.

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Oh crap, my post just made it 5 pages :rolleyes:
 
the blade plays a very important role in many heathen/pagan/neo-pagan practices.... A hawkbill blade called a boline is sometimes used for harvesting herbs used in ritual practices.

Several years ago, a local pawn shop called me up saying he had one of those strange knives with two handles that I like and occationally buy from him. This one was all copper. "Copper handles, right? That'd be unusual, but not unheard of."

"No, it's all copper, the blade and all."

A knife with a copper blade! That could pre-date the iron age. We're talking museum artifact here. And if the balisong design could be shown to pre-date the iron age, that would be huge! Of course, I dropped everything and went immediately.

Well, it was clearly a modern knife with some strange symbols carved on the handles. I wasn't sure what to make of it. It was a nicely made knife, sure, buy why copper? I figured it must be some made-in-China cheapie. And the guy was claiming it was a custom knife and wanted a bit of money for it -- not much, but more than I'd care to pay for a Chinese cheapie. So, I took some notes and went home to see what I could find.

What I discovered was that certain pagan/witchcraft/satanic rituals (I don't know exactly which flavor) require herbs cut with an all-copper knife. Apparently, it's usually a fixed-blade knife that's used. Apparently, the rituals in question don't specify a fixed or folding knife, though, and someone had had one made in the balisong style. The symbols on the knife were related to those rituals. Anyway, I declined to purchase what I labeled, "The Satanic Balisong."

Some months later, I received a telephone call from a person seeking balisong lessons. This person was very excited about having purchased this copper balisong. I asked if this person was aware of what that knife was for. She was. Well, I wasn't to excited about spending any time with this person, so I basically blew her off.

Anyway, there's an interesting bit of knife trivia for you if you see a copper knife.
 
Originally posted by Dijos
Oooohh Kaaaayyyyy........

LOL...this first reply is still the best.:D

It's been an amusing thread with Utah and Hockey and all that...good stuff.

As for consecrating? Umm...a knife is a tool. Do you consecrate your screwdrivers too? By saying they are more than that you give the anti-knife crowd leverage. When challenged on knife safety issues most of us will revert to the "knife is a tool" argument.

But now it needs consecrated? That's duplicitous.
 
Utah
I'm curious ,from a Wican standpoint, why you would choose to flaunt a concecration?
It seems that it has only served to stir the ire of others. We have enough detractors /critics/enemies without recruiting more by such a contrivercial topic.
Please feel free to contact me off list

Ravenn
 
GhengisJohn (I hope I spelt that rite I don't want to get into trouble again). Good point but are we then letting the anti-knife lobby dictate to us. Surely just by being part of this forum we show that we revere the knife above all other tools. Is there a forum for screwdrivers. If we were to follow your crede then we should not make reference to fighting knives, self defence or many of the other posts in this forum. I am sure the 'knife police' follow these forums.
 
I'm curious ,from a Wican standpoint, why you would choose to flaunt a concecration?

Flaunt? I think he was just posting something of interest. Don't read too deeply into everything.

It seems that it has only served to stir the ire of others. We have enough detractors /critics/enemies without recruiting more by such a contrivercial topic.

Stir the ire of others? That's only because they thought he was trying to argue religion. This isn't "contrivercial" at all, it's all a just a long bland string of misinterpretation, most likely started by not reading his thread closely or a bias because some don't like his former topics.
 
Originally posted by JDEEBLADE
If we were to follow your crede then we should not make reference to fighting knives, self defence or many of the other posts in this forum.

My creed? The only creed I have regarding knives is that any man should be allowed to use, make or purchase any knife he chooses. And to utilize said knives in any way he sees fit short of unprovoked harm on another.

I still think they are tools but if you want to consecrate, bless, baptize, inititate, canonize, knight or consumate with your's then by all means do so.

:D ;)
 
Yes, knives are tools. However, there is a heirarchy of tools. The knives I have made out rank the few still around that I bought. All the knives I own are higher in my thoughts than any screwdriver (unless I really need a screwdriver at the moment). My guns, 4 wheel drive vehicle, chainsaw, flyrods etc all outrank the household tools like vacuum cleaner and gas trimmer.

I don't make rakes or screwdrivers. It's natural to personalize objects that we prize. It isn't too large a step from that to consecrating them.

Paganism is an animistic reality view where everything has a spirit and is a part of the cosmos. There is no dichotomy between man andgod and nature. This kind of belief system is held by most primitive people (though not too many exist today) and probably was carried to its height by Taoism.

If I had to believe in a mythology, it would be more attractive than most.
 
A knife is "connected" to me when I can afford to buy it.No sun rises,candles or other hocus pocus.No matter what ritual you use/make-up it is still only a knife.
 
I really had no intention on getting involved in this thread, but there seems to be some rather hostile Christian? elements posting. For what it's worth I was raised that a Christian is grieved by someone's impending separation from the Heavenly Father, not self-righteously judgmental or pleased about it. So when we as Christians comment about someone's possible future d*mnation, it would probably be a better Witness if we were not gleeful about it. As Christians we Witness to everyone through every word we say and everything we do. The basis of the faith (unless I have been reading the wrong Book) is that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and that we are not saved by our own merit but by accepting the gift of Salvation through a personal relationship with the Messiah. Here is a prayer that all will find the truth and be Saved by it and that Judgement will be reserved for the One who is fit to judge.
 
Gollnick,
Please do not confuse paganism and witchcraft with satanism. They are ENTIRELY different beliefs. Feel free to e-mail me if you would care to discuss this inteligently.

Paul
 
Originally posted by PWork
Gollnick, Please do not confuse paganism and witchcraft with satanism. They are ENTIRELY different beliefs. Paul

Entirely different? Maybe.

But with one important common theme. Not Christ-centered.

"Either you are for Me, or you are against Me"
 
Please do not confuse paganism and witchcraft with satanism. They are ENTIRELY different beliefs.

Some of the stars we see when we look up at night are actually two (or even more) stars. They're both off in the same general direction and they're so far away from us that from our viewpoint without the aide of a powerful telescope, two stars can appear to be one.

Of course, someone on a planet orbiting one of those stars might look up and see our sun in close proximity to some other star and preceive them as one.
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
Some of the stars we see when we look up at night are actually two (or even more) stars. They're both off in the same general direction and they're so far away from us that from our viewpoint without the aide of a powerful telescope, two stars can appear to be one.

Gollnick, that was perhaps one of the coolest and most eloquent replies i think i've ever read. my hat goes off to you.

abe m.
 
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