Cool Knife Find After Junkie Grossness

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Nature of the drug. That puts it perfectly.
I was squeaky clean till I was 50. No liquor, no drugs. Nothing. Couple of back surgeries was all it took to become a junky. It kinda creeps up on you before you realize it. Scary train to be on, and I couldn’t be happier that my trip is over.

stabman stabman Sorry for the derail brother, but those pics hit me in an incredibly sensitive area.

Lapedog said:
“Light” usage usually means someone relatively new to it and still getting high from lower doses. Either that or someone who has cleaned up and then is starting again. (Hopefully they won’t go back to using their full dose from their last time they were hooked or that is an OD waiting to happen)

Most users are heavy users. It is the nature of the drug.
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Thank you my friend, but doing MUCH better than ok!! Up at 4:30 this morning, hit the gym, first time in 4 years, and had a huge breakfast already! Now to go get a really nice family heat! Their house is 54° and help is on the way!
Alive again and loving it.
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

stabman said:
No worries. :thumbsup:
Just glad you're doing okay. :)
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Can’t believe you brought this up Jill!!
My son was so scared when I was going through hell, 3 emergency room visits, that he got me 2 capsules of kratom. I took it and was completely wired for hours. It made me shaky and on edge.
Later found out that there can be withdrawals from it also.
Believe me when I say, there is absolutely no easy way. There is a MAJOR toll to pay to get off that road. Suffering and agony is required......


jill jackson said:
I know a few people that used kratom to kick opiods.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3670991/
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palonej palonej glad you got off came through and got clean.

its an epidemic everywhere. even down here in the deep south. i see folks go from simple painkilling to addicts about overnight. breaks my heart to see kids lives lost and former good people become zombies on pills.
 
Thank you my friend.
The kids is what really hurts. My 2 older sons have lost friends to this poison. Nothing worse than greeting the parents at their child’s wake and watching a bunch of 19 year olds trying to come to terms with it.
Horrifying.
Friggin epidemic.
Joe


jbmonkey said:
palonej palonej glad you got off came through and got clean.

its an epidemic everywhere. even down here in the deep south. i see folks go from simple painkilling to addicts about overnight. breaks my heart to see kids lives lost and former good people become zombies on pills.
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Doesn’t mean you were weak for becoming addicted but were strong for being able to overcome it!
 
Dallas T said:
Doesn’t mean you were weak for becoming addicted but were strong for being able to overcome it!
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The addiction has nothing to do with weakness. I actually sort of blame the anti drug campaign.

People hear all the scare tactics growing up about alcohol, then weed, then coke etc. All of these drugs are bad but many people use them at some point and never become addicted. (Coke can obviously be addictive as well as a bunch of other drugs, but hear me out)

So they figure, “well I guess they probably blow the danger of opiates out of proportion too” and thus don’t take the warnings seriously. They try it once and are fine, try it again, they’re fine. “Well I guess all the fear was a whole lot of nothing. People who get hooked on this are pussy.”

Then they try it a few days in a row and WHAM they’re hooked. Strength or weakness has nothing to do with it. Not to even mention those who were put on through oxy by their doctors. It’s some seriously dangerous stuff.

Congrats to anyone who gets off that treadmill from hell.
 
Lapedog said:
The addiction has nothing to do with weakness. I actually sort of blame the anti drug campaign.

People hear all the scare tactics growing up about alcohol, then weed, then coke etc. All of these drugs are bad but many people use them at some point and never become addicted. (Coke can obviously be addictive as well as a bunch of other drugs, but hear me out)

So they figure, “well I guess they probably blow the danger of opiates out of proportion too” and thus don’t take the warnings seriously. They try it once and are fine, try it again, they’re fine. “Well I guess all the fear was a whole lot of nothing. People who get hooked on this are pussy.”

Then they try it a few days in a row and WHAM they’re hooked. Strength or weakness has nothing to do with it. Not to even mention those who were put on through oxy by their doctors. It’s some seriously dangerous stuff.

Congrats to anyone who gets off that treadmill from hell.
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I was very confused about "drugs" growing up. I'm talking about when I was maybe 8-10 yo. They kept telling us all the time That drugs were bad! Drugs are dangerous! Stay away from drugs! Don't "do" drugs! And then my mom would stop at the "Drug store" on the way home! The store had huge letters across the front that said -D_R_U_G_S-!! :confused::confused:o_O

ETA: Then when you get your questions answered, its that some drugs are good. Some drugs you need. If the doctor gives them to you, its because you need them. So you come to believe that a doctor wouldn't give you drugs that you don't need! Surely they won't be harmful if you NEED them right??
 
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Dope is one of the few drugs that I looked at someone using it and said "nope, hard pass there". I used to live in a very rough area that was the center for trafficking between NYC and Boston - we had street dealers on our corner, a driveby one night, etc... lost a lot of friends in the mid 90s to this garbage. The adage of (thanks Ministry) "never trust a junkie" couldn't be more true.

Now I know several people with chronic pain that are certainly addicts but thankfully not what I would call a junkie and none of them have progressed past the (still) prescribed meds onto street shit. They would love to be able to take something else, big pharma needs to science up some better pain meds. I do worry about them because I know addiction can be a terrible thing and hard to overcome. Thankfully I learned my lesson with tobacco and not hard drugs, still hurt my body plenty though.

On the OP, nice little find stabman. Where is a pic of you wielding them while in full gear?! :D
 
The problem for these poor bastards, me included, is the doctors prescribing the meds are being forced to stop because of the epidemic.
Then what do you do??? Yup, dope.
Absolutely thrilled to be off that shit......I would NEVER want to go through that trip through hell again. Cannot put into words what that was like.

Icehawk said:
Dope is one of the few drugs that I looked at someone using it and said "nope, hard pass there". I used to live in a very rough area that was the center for trafficking between NYC and Boston - we had street dealers on our corner, a driveby one night, etc... lost a lot of friends in the mid 90s to this garbage. The adage of (thanks Ministry) "never trust a junkie" couldn't be more true.

Now I know several people with chronic pain that are certainly addicts but thankfully not what I would call a junkie and none of them have progressed past the (still) prescribed meds onto street shit. They would love to be able to take something else, big pharma needs to science up some better pain meds. I do worry about them because I know addiction can be a terrible thing and hard to overcome. Thankfully I learned my lesson with tobacco and not hard drugs, still hurt my body plenty though.

On the OP, nice little find stabman. Where is a pic of you wielding them while in full gear?! :D
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palonej said:
The problem for these poor bastards, me included, is the doctors prescribing the meds are being forced to stop because of the epidemic.
Then what do you do??? Yup, dope.
Absolutely thrilled to be off that shit......I would NEVER want to go through that trip through hell again. Cannot put into words what that was like.
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I also heard that the pharmecutical companies mislead doctors about how addictive the Oxys were. There should be hell to pay over this s**t!:mad:
 
Ya know something DB??? If my doctor told me he was prescribing me synthetic heroin, I never would have taken one damn pill.
It has been reported that if you take that shit as prescribed, usually 4 pills a day, you are physically addicted in 4 days.
4 friggin days. Wish I knew that when I got on that treadmill.
Not bitching because I can’t tell you how effing fantastic I feel!
Joe

danbot said:
I also heard that the pharmecutical companies mislead doctors about how addictive the Oxys were. There should be hell to pay over this s**t!:mad:
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Thank you!!! It was certainly a bitch of a ride!! That shit does NOT like to let you go!!
Joe

Dallas T said:
Doesn’t mean you were weak for becoming addicted but were strong for being able to overcome it!
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palonej said:
Ya know something DB??? If my doctor told me he was prescribing me synthetic heroin, I never would have taken one damn pill.
It has been reported that if you take that shit as prescribed, usually 4 pills a day, you are physically addicted in 4 days.
4 friggin days. Wish I knew that when I got on that treadmill.
Not bitching because I can’t tell you how effing fantastic I feel!
Joe
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All opiates are addictive it doesn't take a doctor telling you to know that.
 
mabrowns said:
All opiates are addictive it doesn't take a doctor telling you to know that.
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Sure, but how addictive? What potency is it? What is their plan to manage the addictive effect? They have no plan to mitigate the reprecussions of the addiction! Shame on them!
 
mabrowns said:
All opiates are addictive it doesn't take a doctor telling you to know that.
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Opiate addiciton is unlike any other. There needs to be a different word all together for their type of addiction.

Simply describing it as physically vs psychologically addictive isn’t enough of a warning how bad it is.
 
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