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The Mastiff said:
I have a couple hundred knives of which probably 50 are from China. Some are ok, some not so much. The only knives I refuse to buy anymore from experience are Pakistan made knives. I've seen some real crap. Terrible stuff that can't do things needed to call it a knife and not a thing resembling a knife.

This thread hasn't been to bad except for bld 522 who attempts to set himself up as the one controlling the threads contents. I've seen pretty much everything but knife content from him. Name calling ( sinophobia) ,Even slogans and poetry. Sort of "I'm the enlightened one, everyone else who disagrees is wrong" type stuff. :) The guy seems to have some social warrior tendencies and that isn't a compliment. When one begins squealing about lack of knife content and talking about rules infractions when they aren't the mod shows they're struggling with control issues. Blues Bender is almost as holier than thou.

I buy Chinese or any other knives that I find value in if they agree with my needs in a knife. Value isn't always going to mean inexpensive. I sure won't be buying $250 PRC made knives though. Not without testing done independently showing the steel is what they say it is. They have showed they need oversight that doesn't let up with the poisoning of thousands of our pets here with their corrupt business practices. Not to mention the scandals there with things including baby food. If I buy a knife from Spyderco, for instance, I can use their warranty for problems. I would never import something directly though. Japan or Europe I can and do import from directly when needed.

I don't get people who associate Taiwan made knives with PRC though. The knives I've purchased from Taiwan are top quality knives. Most European knives are built well but often don't agree with my steel, size or lock preferences.
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Thanks for your feedback O' Holy One! I'm glad Sir Mastiff knows what's best for this forum;)
 
leghog said:
Face it - The People's Republic of China has a despotic regime and businesses there practice extremely poor business ethicstrademark theft, and and industrial espionage. That is, as has been, reality. No amount of deflection from that point by you or justification of those practices from you will change that reality.
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You go get 'em cowboy! I've got a lance right here with your name on it. :rolleyes:
 
RedLynx said:
I think this thread needed that. :thumbup:

It will also be causing me to look up this War Toad now... which may put me at philosophical odds with the thread I just created. Darn you.
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It's actually not a bad little knife.
The tang has a "prybar" ground into it, but it's more for prying staples than wooden boards.
It does pry out just about any staple around though, and the ability to do it while the knife is closed is a bonus. :)
 
stabman said:
It's actually not a bad little knife.
The tang has a "prybar" ground into it, but it's more for prying staples than wooden boards.
It does pry out just about any staple around though, and the ability to do it while the knife is closed is a bonus. :)
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Looks pretty cool, but for me too small for the price. I know it's kinda silly but past a certain price point I want more steel. :P
 
leghog said:
As luck would have it, it is companies in the PRC who rip-off trademarks and practice industrial and commercial espionage and use steels of dubious quality not living up to the companies' claims. The PRC, AT THE LEAST, condones it too. You know, "as luck would have it".
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Does this apply to Kizer? To Reate? To Stedemon? Do you have any experience with actual China-based companies making high-end knives?
 
RedLynx said:
Looks pretty cool, but for me too small for the price. I know it's kinda silly but past a certain price point I want more steel. :P
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I kind of felt the same way.
The custom one goes for $400 and up though... :eek:

I was really anticipating it.
So I got my expectations too big, and was slightly underwhelmed at first when it arrived.
Then I carried it and used it for a week straight, and felt I got my money's worth. :)
 
stabman said:
I kind of felt the same way.
The custom one goes for $400 and up though... :eek:

I was really anticipating it.
So I got my expectations too big, and was slightly underwhelmed at first when it arrived.
Then I carried it and used it for a week straight, and felt I got my money's worth. :)
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Is it easy to hold/use? I like smaller knives like the Tuff Lite, but it's always a crapshoot is I will be able to grip and handle the smaller ones well.
 
RedLynx said:
Is it easy to hold/use? I like smaller knives like the Tuff Lite, but it's always a crapshoot is I will be able to grip and handle the smaller ones well.
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It is easy to hold, but comfort will depend on hand size.
If your fingers are skinny, it will be a comfortable 3 finger grip.
If you have huge fingers, it will be a very comfortable 2 finger grip.

Either way, it is easy to apply a good degree of force in cuts.
 
brancron said:
Does this apply to Kizer? To Reate? To Stedemon? Do you have any experience with actual China-based companies making high-end knives . . .
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. . . or the products they make? I'm pretty sure we already know the answer to those questions. After all, facts can be so messy. Why deal with them when assumptions that support your point of view are so much easier to swallow?

It's Sinophobia again, pure and simple. :rolleyes:
 
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Insipid Moniker said:
Okay. But first you have to gift me everything you own that was made in China or that contains any components from China. Essentially all your possessions that have in some way been touched by Chinese hands. ;)
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It'll be junk. The only Chinese crap I have is junk.
 
bld522 said:
leghog said:
Face it - The People's Republic of China has a despotic regime and businesses there practice extremely poor business ethicstrademark theft, and and industrial espionage. That is, as has been, reality. No amount of deflection from that point by you or justification of those practices from you will change that reality.
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You go get 'em cowboy! I've got a lance right here with your name on it. :rolleyes:
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That's it, huh? You have no counter to my point? I didn't think you would. That's par for this course.
 
The Chinese can make it as good or as crappy as you want.
That's why the company it's made for matters.

In the automotive industry, they often have a USA or German (or whatever) engineer over there to ensure that quality is good.
They still end up with inexpensive parts (hooray for profits!).
 
bld522 said:
Hilarious! Does that also mean the only Chinese junk you have is crap? How about all your other crap. Is that junk too?
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Some other is, but most certainly the Chinese. That's why I avoid it like the plague.

So are you going to eat only Chinese imports for the next 30 days?
 
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