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NOT A ROLLS ROYCE
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NOT AN AVALANCHE
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NOT A MINI COOPER
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NOT A MERCEDES
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NOT AN X5
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DEFINITELY NOT A HUMMER!!!
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We have done similar things. Like when pontiac dealers started re skinning fieros to look like ferraris in the the late 80's. Got sued over it too. Happens in knives too. Ripping people off is not just a china thing. Its a human thing. And when I see members of this forum trying to rip each other off nearly on a daily basis its hard to make an argument from a position of superiority.
 
We have done similar things. Like when pontiac dealers started re skinning fieros to look like ferraris in the the late 80's. Got sued over it too. Happens in knives too. Ripping people off is not just a china thing. Its a human thing. And when I see members of this forum trying to rip each other off nearly on a daily basis its hard to make an argument from a position of superiority.

Sure, but how is that not like saying "every country has fought a war" or "every country has murderers" or "every country has diseases". Just that some have more in quantity and blatancy, the host subject being China. Just because America made some fieros look like ferraris in the 80's doesn't mean we're completely copying Italian cars model after model and continuing to do so despite.
 
We have done similar things. Like when pontiac dealers started re skinning fieros to look like ferraris in the the late 80's. Got sued over it too. Happens in knives too. Ripping people off is not just a china thing. Its a human thing. And when I see members of this forum trying to rip each other off nearly on a daily basis its hard to make an argument from a position of superiority.

Hey girl, want to ride in my Ferrari?

*sees Pontiac symbols all over interior*

Ultimate fail...
 
We have done similar things. Like when pontiac dealers started re skinning fieros to look like ferraris in the the late 80's. Got sued over it too. Happens in knives too. Ripping people off is not just a china thing. Its a human thing. And when I see members of this forum trying to rip each other off nearly on a daily basis its hard to make an argument from a position of superiority.
"WE"? How much of it was condoned and or backed by the government of "WE"?
 
"WE"? How much of it was condoned and or backed by the government of "WE"?

I dont discuss governments as I dont violate the rules by trying to politicize human issues. My point is humans rip off other humans all the time regardless of the borders they reside within. Its not a china thing. its a human thing.
 
I dont discuss governments as I dont violate the rules by trying to politicize human issues. My point is humans rip off other humans all the time regardless of the borders they reside within. Its not a china thing. its a human thing.
The human issue of trademark infringement is a political issue when it is condoned and/or funded by national governments --- yes a human issue because it is a government/political issue (all political issues are human issues).

If I copy your product or fake your product, it's a human issue.

If I do it with the nod and/or backing of my government, it's also human issue.
 
The human issue of trademark infringement is a political issue when it is condoned and/or funded by national governments --- yes a human issue because it is a government/political issue (all political issues are human issues). If I copy your product or fake your product, it's a human issue. If I do it with the nod and/or backing of my government, it's a human issue.

Yes exactly a human issue. And since political arguments are A VIOLATION OF THE RULES anywhere outside the designated areas I will NOT discuss that portion of the argument and I feel its pointless as just as you say the issue is a human issue. We are humans and we as humans make the decisions. Every single grievance the political crowd has brought up in this thread comes down to decisions made by humans. And when my peers make the same types of decisions I dont see any higher moral ground to stand on and preach.
 
Yes exactly a human issue. And since political arguments are A VIOLATION OF THE RULES anywhere outside the designated areas I will NOT discuss that portion of the argument and I feel its pointless as just as you say the issue is a human issue. We are humans and we as humans make the decisions. Every single grievance the political crowd has brought up in this thread comes down to decisions made by humans. And when my peers make the same types of decisions I dont see any higher moral ground to stand on and preach.
Don't discuss it then. Entirely your choice. But that doesn't make the PRC government's stance on and condoning of trademark infringement and commercial/industrial espionage any less political. It's just a plain and simple fact of the world today.
 
I favor a lassez-faire approach, where competition and efficiency determine the winners and losers. This benefits the consumer, and in the long run it benefits the American work force by encouraging the production of better products made more efficiently at better prices. So I buy the knives that I like, irrespective of where they are made. If a foreign knife maker down-regulates the cost of American knives via market forces, then I say huzzah.

If an American company - or any company - suffers from open competition, then it was too fat and unproductive anyway and it needed to be culled from the herd. The most humane response to a sick animal is to make it healthy, and if not then to euthanize it, and the same is true with knife companies.

This is a matter of economics, not politics.

This is how I think about it logically too. Ultimately, at the end of the day, I buy what I need and want and my collection + to buy list reflects this. Additionally, I have seen junk and nice stuff from many countries. Yes this includes US made junk from supposed "craftsmen" (not just a regular joe) and nice stuff from China or whatever other countries some people like to think of as cheap sweatshop labor products. This is not limited to knives.

Regarding knives, I do not believe any country is inherently better at knife making as it is a learned skill that RELATIVELY speaking, doesn't require a lot of complex infrastructure or tools that are more available to more developed countries. To me, things like societal and cultural attitudes regarding the product and production/quality, skill level of the available worker pool, or particular consumer demands are very likely to influence the products, but it is not an end all say all as it still ultimately up to the producers/makers/decision makers. For example, if you mostly expect China to provide cheap disposable grade goods, guess what they're going to make a lot of and guess who they will use in their society to do so?

However, if I have to drag politics into it, then I prefer buying US or from allied countries that actively support the US and have a decent amount of citizenry that don't hate the US just b/c it's the US. Or at least aren't actively working against the US. (Granted, if you want to hate many of the things the US government or certain people have done, go ahead... no thought police here).
All of this is PROVIDED that I'm getting a good product and value. I will not support a substandard product or ripoffs just b/c USA or any other country is stamped on it. Plus, if there is a really good or innovative knife maker who also offers good value on their product but happens to be from another country, I would still rather buy from them vs stuffing the pockets of management or anyone else at a US company who only cares about knives enough to make money.

I also personally find it interesting if I can get any particular said product made by a particular group or people the product is closely associated it. Ex I think Americans or anyone who really wants to has the capacity to make a good kukri or balisong and I would have no qualms against owning their products, but there's something about having a (well made) kukri or balisong from Nepal or the Philippines by someone who actually understands both tools well respectively.
 
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Don't discuss it then. Entirely your choice. But that doesn't make the PRC government's stance on and condoning of trademark infringement and commercial/industrial espionage any less political. It's just a plain and simple fact of the world today.

Thats not what im saying leghog. Im saying general is not the place for this crap. And instead of reporting it I was trying to give you little hints to take it where it belongs. If that is what you want to discuss (as if the horse skeleton it is isnt ground to dust enough to your palate) then please go where it is is not only welcome but allowed. If you would rather it get shut down and pitched fine.
 
Leghog & PDC, please respect the no politics rule as it is written. I understan the issue of CoO is nearly impossible to discuss without getting into some mild political aspects, but it should not overtake the entire point. That will be my last comment on the matter, thanks to all for trying to keep things on the level so far.

We doNOT discuss political issues, or do any sort of China bashing in GKD, it's pointless and no one learns a thing other than how to antagonize one another. It's bad enough we have several people on the forum at this point that seem to want to simply be here to stir things up, this will not be another one of those issues.
 
We doNOT discuss political issues, or do any sort of China bashing in GKD, it's pointless and no one learns a thing other than how to antagonize one another.

That's why I love things like knives and nature -- because fundamentally they are apolitical. Certainly they can be and are tragically politicized, but I cannot for the life of me remember the last time the intrusion of politics into a neutral or fairly neutral topic helped the discussion. Admittedly, this particular topic is a bit loaded/charged to begin with, but one reason I enjoy this forum is the relative absence of politics, and also to share a common interest with other folks. :)
 
No worries guys. I get fired up over things too and passionate, doesn't make you wrong it makes you human. We just need to remember when and where. :thumbup: thanks!
 
You all have fun with your made in china knives, and when your job gets cut and moved to China don't come whining !
 
You all have fun with your made in china knives, and when your job gets cut and moved to China don't come whining !

I do enjoy my China knives. Also, I'm a construction worker, so unless you know how to move a chunk of earth to China, my job ain't going nowhere.
 
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