CR Project Got Pwnd

snore. another sledgehammering-resiliency "test". Would one of Juergen Schanz' 8mm thick tantos be the ideal knife for this type of activity? How about a sharpened leaf spring? It seems like the testing fanboys might be losing some perspective.
 
MedOps, that reminds me of the surplus "commando" hatchets that were sold. They actually were WWII RAF ground crew hatchets to open up planes to rescue crews !! US pilots knives have a saw tooth spine to do the same thing ! Now Milwaukee makes a nice cordless sawz-all !
 
BlondieAlmostEdge said:
snore. another sledgehammering-resiliency "test". Would one of Juergen Schanz' 8mm thick tantos be the ideal knife for this type of activity? How about a sharpened leaf spring? It seems like the testing fanboys might be losing some perspective.
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Actually, I think the fanboys who are losing perspective are those who purchase 1/4" thick, 14 oz chunks of tool steel to peel apples and dress fish.

Let's say I'm doing a little framing around the ranch. Got the nail bags on, I'm up on the roof of the barn with the stick nailer and a stack of 2x's. One of them doesn't fit quite right. I can go back down the ladder, back to the shop, get the saw out of the box... or I can pull out my .20 Game Warden and my 22 oz hammer and knock the corner of the 2x. Abuse? You must be kidding. That's why (thinking) people buy "hard use" knives, and that's completely consistent with what's shown in the test. Oh, and the GW will do it all day long without breaking a sweat, let alone braking in half.

If you're not going to take advantage of the knife's sturdiness, why not buy something that cuts well? If you're just going car camping in your RV, and want to split some wood, why not take a hatchet?
 
Justabuyer said:
Go back to sleep. Your knives wont break if your asleep.
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:rolleyes: substantive and substantial counter-example

Let's say I'm doing a little framing around the ranch. Got the nail bags on, I'm up on the roof of the barn with the stick nailer and a stack of 2x's. One of them doesn't fit quite right. I can go back down the ladder, back to the shop, get the saw out of the box... or I can pull out my .20 Game Warden and my 22 oz hammer and knock the corner of the 2x. Abuse? You must be kidding. That's why (thinking) people buy "hard use" knives, and that's completely consistent with what's shown in the test. Oh, and the GW will do it all day long without breaking a sweat, let alone braking(sic) in half.
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I'm sure my SS4 or DM would take the same type of punishment, but to be honest I wouldn't bang on those with a hammer either.

Batonning doesn't scare me but using a hardened piece of steel to bang on the spine of my knife doesn't sit well. Why not use the butt of the framer instead?

I can't quite wrap my head around the necessity of hitting knives with hammers.
 
Use the right tool for the right job. Knife abuse will go on forever! It's YOUR knife! :)
 
tsiloics said:
Actually, I think the fanboys who are losing perspective are those who purchase 1/4" thick, 14 oz chunks of tool steel to peel apples and dress fish.

Let's say I'm doing a little framing around the ranch. Got the nail bags on, I'm up on the roof of the barn with the stick nailer and a stack of 2x's. One of them doesn't fit quite right. I can go back down the ladder, back to the shop, get the saw out of the box... or I can pull out my .20 Game Warden and my 22 oz hammer and knock the corner of the 2x. Abuse? You must be kidding. That's why (thinking) people buy "hard use" knives, and that's completely consistent with what's shown in the test. Oh, and the GW will do it all day long without breaking a sweat, let alone braking in half.

If you're not going to take advantage of the knife's sturdiness, why not buy something that cuts well? If you're just going car camping in your RV, and want to split some wood, why not take a hatchet?
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Amen to that, I like the way you think and your taste in cutlery. Its fun to hit stuff with a hammer, ecspecially when you dont have to worry about it breaking, possibly sending sharp steel towards you. I will stick with what works, regardless of whether or not what I use my knives for qualifies as abuse. IMO it gives the knife character, and in turn I covet it more. Although CRK are purty, comfy in the hand and cut stuff... I will stick with what is a proven winner, but I wont name any names.
 
I am a CRK fan, when I first saw the Green Beret test I was very disappointed. I remember thinking "I'd like to see him try that with a one-piece." I was certain it would be one of the best knives he had tested.

You can be as dismissive and defensive as you want but the fact of the matter is that the Project One didn't perform very well. Yes, you may consider the test knife "abuse" and perhaps well beyond what you would do with your knife, but he tests every knife with the exact same method and both CRK blades have come up short compared to much less exspensive pieces. Not only in the chopping/toughness testing but in cutting and edge retention tests too. And remember, the Project One is over 1/4 thick, so it's no delicate slicer.

So rather than saying, "yeah yeah yeah, the test is absurd and I will ignore the results," why not ask for a better knife from CRK?
 
:yawn::yawn::yawn:

It is quite clear now that CRK knives are BAD KNIVES.:rolleyes:

Send them to me! ;)

Kind regards,

Jos
 
I like mike mini seb. Its one of the best folders I've ever had. (I have a handful of 'high end' ones.)

It seems to me, the real question, which should be answered by CRK is, how do they foresee this knife being used and what are they willing to warrantee it to?

Clearly most of the arguements focus on the definition of 'hard use, combat, and survival.'

I would have expected a 'survival' knife to be able to take a hammer to a 2x4, because you may have to use a rock if your stuck in the wilderness. Maybe that was a flawed expectation on my part? Maybe it doesnt really replicate a rock, in which case I think Noss should use a rock.

I've used a hammer pounding my GW through wood, tin, and sheet metal. A lot of people would tell you that a knife isnt the right for those jobs. Busse says it ought to hold up fine.

CRK just needs to tell us exactly what they expect their knives to hold up to. Combat/hard use/survival are soo vague, and they certainly add an air of "tackle anything" that CRK uses to market its knives, better we find out those limits now then the soldier in the field or the backpacker stranded in the wilderness.

They sure are beautiful knives though! And I'll love my seb forever. Its stood up to all sorts of abuse!
 
Does anyone else wonder if the serrations contribute to the failure? Both the GB and Project have the same pattern of serrations and both broke in that region. A test of a plain edge might be enlightening.
 
I very much agree. Both knives had serrations, and both broke AT the serrations, being no doubt a stress riser. A plainedge test will tell much.
 
Got 'Pwnd' Sorry... but NO. A knife is a CUTTING tool, not something that you will hit with a hammer or will get forced untill it breaks. I can tell you any car's brand is a shit, because if you hit the car against a wall at max speed it will break. Damn the bad quality car. Remember, a knife is a cutting tool, not a pry bar.
 
IH-Antonio said:
Got 'Pwnd' Sorry... but NO. A knife is a CUTTING tool, not something that you will hit with a hammer or will get forced untill it breaks. I can tell you any car's brand is a shit, because if you hit the car against a wall at max speed it will break. Damn the bad quality car. Remember, a knife is a cutting tool, not a pry bar.
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You are new to the forum so you get a pass on this. But here is a hint. Don't shoot from the hip on 7 page thread without reading them. Other wise you may find yourself on the Mr. obvious/already been said and refuted over and over again ignore/list.
 
sirahren said:
I like mike mini seb. Its one of the best folders I've ever had. (I have a handful of 'high end' ones.)

It seems to me, the real question, which should be answered by CRK is, how do they foresee this knife being used and what are they willing to warrantee it to?

Clearly most of the arguements focus on the definition of 'hard use, combat, and survival.'

I would have expected a 'survival' knife to be able to take a hammer to a 2x4, because you may have to use a rock if your stuck in the wilderness. Maybe that was a flawed expectation on my part? Maybe it doesnt really replicate a rock, in which case I think Noss should use a rock.

I've used a hammer pounding my GW through wood, tin, and sheet metal. A lot of people would tell you that a knife isnt the right for those jobs. Busse says it ought to hold up fine.

CRK just needs to tell us exactly what they expect their knives to hold up to. Combat/hard use/survival are soo vague, and they certainly add an air of "tackle anything" that CRK uses to market its knives, better we find out those limits now then the soldier in the field or the backpacker stranded in the wilderness.

They sure are beautiful knives though! And I'll love my seb forever. Its stood up to all sorts of abuse!
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I have been wanting to know the answer to this question for a long time. Not just from CRK but from the general knife making population and the users. Think about it. The maker claims that their knives are for hard use or core individuals. What does that mean? I would assume that means that the owner will use their knife for just about anything! Pry, cut, pound, etc. These "knives" are just thick steel that happens to be sharp on one edge. Basically a sharp and pretty flat bar. So you hit the "knife" with a hammer or rock or whatever you have handy and this .250" pretty flat bar snaps in half.

We have a problem because of one of two things. One "we" are abusing the knife that happens to be marketed as "hard-use". Two the knife is a lemon from the factory or designed wrong for its marketed use.
 
Xcel said:
We have a problem because of one of two things. One "we" are abusing the knife that happens to be marketed as "hard-use". Two the knife is a lemon from the factory or designed wrong for its marketed use.
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In either case, the key lies with a clearly-articulated response from the maker. Without knowing the maker's use parameters, it's impossible to fully evaluate the knife.

For example, a fat knife breaks when it's pounded on. The maker indicates that it was intended to be pounded on, and should not have broken. There you have a knife with poor strength characteristics.

Example Two, same knife. This time the maker says the knife was "abused", and should not have been pounded on. There you have a knife with poor cutting geometry, because if it wasn't intended to be pounded on, it should have been ground thinner.

No sense in having a stick with two short ends, when you can at least get half of it right. :)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Let it ride. Noss's tests are not quantitative. They could be described as demonstrations. Of what, let the viewer decide. As Noss seems unconcerned about any heat he might draw, I won't worry for him.

For those of us who have used CRK knives for years, that sort of test may not be relevent :D
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Ah, the voice of wisdom. And experience.

I agree ... 100%.

Noss' tests are fun, but they are not appropriate for most knives. I won't be 'dissing' my CRKs because Noss can break a Project.
 
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