CR Project Got Pwnd

T.K.C. said:
I agree with what he said. Anyone can destroy a knife! Big deal!! I wouldn't call what Noss4 does "tests"; it is destruction. It has nothing to do with real world use.:thumbdn::thumbdn: It means nothing to me. And I doubt Noss4's "tests" (and I use the term VERY loosely) would have ANY impact on CRK.
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well in NOSS's defense he does call it a destruction test
 
Interestingly enough, I've been around the bladeforums for a few years and I can't honestly think of one single instance where a CRK one piece knife broke while being 'used' in 'real life' situations. Maybe I missed all the call out threads but I don't think so
I know there are many thousands of different CRK one piece knives out there and I find it hard to believe that every single one is a safe queen. That being said where are the real life use breakage/failure posts? Anyone can break any knife if that's what they set out to do let's hear about failure during actual use.
 
MedOpsPogue said:
Interestingly enough, I've been around the bladeforums for a few years and I can't honestly think of one single instance where a CRK one piece knife broke while being 'used' in 'real life' situations. Maybe I missed all the call out threads but I don't think so
I know there are many thousands of different CRK one piece knives out there and I find it hard to believe that every single one is a safe queen. That being said where are the real life use breakage/failure posts? Anyone can break any knife if that's what they set out to do let's hear about failure during actual use.
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How many times are you going to try to circle around the fact that the knife did not make it past tests that were still easy and well with in the scope of what a hard use knife should be able to do?

Noss is Real, he is alive. He was using the knife when it broke to cut wood.

REAL LIFE USE Real life use that some 10 dollar knives did with ease. Real life use that many knives tested surpassed with ease.

This does not mean CRK knives suck or that CRK is a bad knife designer. But there IS a problem. Your best bet if you want the knives to be unchanged and to protect CRK from criticism is to drop the circular arguments and let the thread die. Pretty much everyone that cares to has made their point and I doubt any minds have been changed.
 
Justabuyer said:
How many times are you going to try to circle around the fact that the knife did not make it past tests that were still easy and well with in the scope of what a hard use knife should be able to do?

Noss is Real, he is alive. He was using the knife when it broke to cut wood.

REAL LIFE USE Real life use that some 10 dollar knives did with ease. Real life use that many knives tested surpassed with ease.

This does not mean CRK knives suck or that CRK is a bad knife designer. But there IS a problem. Your best bet if you want the knives to be unchanged and to protect CRK from criticism is to drop the circular arguments and let the thread die. Pretty much everyone that cares to has made their point and I doubt any minds have been changed.
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I love it when people pull this kinda crap out of the closet. There's no circular argument here and Noss wasn't 'actually' using the knife he was performing a test. There is a difference no matter how you spin it.

I like the CRK line of fixed blades but I never said I didn't want to see some changes made to the knife. Hell for starters I'd love to see them get rid of the serrations, but that's not my call is it?

I'm not about to ditch my Green Beret but then again it's not the 'one knife' I would want with me if the SHTF.
 
MedOpsPogue said:
...Noss wasn't 'actually' using the knife he was performing a test. There is a difference no matter how you spin it.
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There is no difference at all. He was performing operations with the knife. The question would simply be whether those operations were within the confines of what would reasonably be expected of the knife.
 
MedOpsPogue said:
There's no circular argument here and Noss wasn't 'actually' using the knife he was performing a test. There is a difference no matter how you spin it.
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I wish I could test my knives without using them, that would be so AWESOME!! They wouldn't get scratched or anything!!

:rolleyes:;)
 
tsiloics said:
There is no difference at all. He was performing operations with the knife. The question would simply be whether those operations were within the confines of what would reasonably be expected of the knife.
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My last post in this thread as it's obvious no one gets my point. Noss was testing the knife pure and simple. He was trying to simulate activities that might occur in a 'survival/field' environment but the point I'm trying to make is that it was in a testing environment that he broke this knife. I'm not accusing him of any type of agenda I'm merely trying to make a point.
If he was camping, deployed or something along those lines and it broke in the line of duty or during 'actual field use' then I'd be more inclined to want to hear his story as well as CRK's response. As it was done in a 'test environment' I'm not as impressed.

I am disappointed with the relative ease with which this and the Green Beret broke, but not all that surprised.


darthsoaker said:
I wish I could test my knives without using them, that would be so AWESOME!! They wouldn't get scratched or anything!!

:rolleyes:;)
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I get your attempt at humor but you just made the same point with this post as my first sentence in this post.
 
something interesting about CRK....this IS abuse and their warranty specifically exculdes abuse...this abuse is about as public as possible---yet they replaced the knife for noss.

THAT is integrity--and THAT is one of the many reasons people buy and will continue to buy CRK knives.
 
I thought it was a good thing that, it took so many hits with a 3# mallet before it broke.:confused:
 
Watching the video at the moment the handle broke, seems like the hammer slipped right before the handle broke. I suspect, with good reason, that the hammer actually hit the handle right before it broke.
 
sttang said:
Watching the video at the moment the handle broke, seems like the hammer slipped right before the handle broke. I suspect, with good reason, that the hammer actually hit the handle right before it broke.
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I've watched the moment of impact a couple dozen times now and I'm completely sure the hit location was not a problem. The hit was square over the wood. I also thought it was a bad hit at first. Noss posted still pics on his forum if you're curious.


IH-Antonio said:
...A knife is a CUTTING tool, not something that you will hit with a hammer or will get forced untill it breaks.
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If a knife should only be used for cutting then what's the point of ever making a knife that is thick and/or tough? The whole idea behind large sturdy knives is that they're supposed to be able to take a battering.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Let it ride. Noss's tests are not quantitative. They could be described as demonstrations.
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I agree.

Esav Benyamin said:
As Noss seems unconcerned about any heat he might draw, I won't worry for him.
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Here, I disagree. I think Noss cares about the "heat," thus the mask.

I got some expletive-filled PMs from him recently after questioning the methodology and the mask in the Busse subforum. IMO, he likes the fan club but detests any criticism.

I thought he'd matured a bit since some of his early posts here (do a search and you'll see what I mean), but after my last encounter with the guy, I'm not so sure.
 
Guyon said:
Here, I disagree. I think Noss cares about the "heat," thus the mask.
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I think he cares a little bit about the "heat" but he probably wears the mask mostly for safety. He is, after all, breaking stuff with a hammer.
 
What I don't understand is why people come and post here just to "Piss in their pool". What do you get out of coming here to post worthless comments about how bad you think CRKs are.... If you think that fine then don't buy them. Chris's knives have been one of the most collected brands for some time now. The Sebby is the benchmark for most folders. The members in this sub form have been using these knives on a regular basis. Do you really think their opinions will change because someone else comes here and says other wise? I don't think they give a dam about the test, the true test is done every time they use their knives.

p.s. I do not collect CRKs but I have been collection knives long enough to respect the brand and the users that collect them.
 
Bkultra said:
What I don't understand is why people come and post here just to "Piss in their pool". What do you get out of coming here to post worthless comments about how bad you think CRKs are.... If you think that fine then don't buy them. Chris's knives have been one of the most collected brands for some time now. The Sebby is the benchmark for most folders. The members in this sub form have been using these knives on a regular basis. Do you really think their opinions will change because someone else comes here and says other wise? I don't think they give a dam about the test, the true test is done every time they use their knives.

p.s. I do not collect CRKs but I have been collection knives long enough to respect the brand and the users that collect them.
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I'm not sure who your talking about, but I can tell you I came here because I wanted a better discussion about the knife, as opposed to all the other crap that gets into the other thread. I also wanted to hear from from people who have a lot of experience with CRK knives as opposed to watching a video and making judgements. I was hoping to get more answers then the other thread provided.

But what does it matter? This is an open forum that anyone should be able to post in within the guidlines? You shouldnt have to be a fan or own a CRK to post here. Just an interest in the brand.

I havent met that many people who really have an axe to grind with CRK (I'm sure there are some) but I assume most people are like me in that they respect the brand and want answers as to why there SEEMED to be this disconnect between their price/reputation and their performance comparative to other brands.

I've liked their fixed blade line and I've wanted one, always figuring it could take what I could dish out. Now I just want to know what and why its limitations are. I love my seb by the way, its a great knife, by what i consider a great company in the knife world, which makes the premature destruction of the fixed pieces a little more suprising.
 
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