CR Project Got Pwnd

sirahren said:
I'm not sure who your talking about
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That post was directed towards the people that came here just to stir up s***. I agree you dont have to be a fan to post in this or any of the forums, but I do think if you post it should be in a constructive way. Reading threw this and a few of the other threads, it seems more and more members here are just trolling. For example the title of this thread seems a bit inappropriate.

Just my 2 cents
 
Bkultra said:
That post was directed towards the people that came here just to stir up s***. I agree you dont have to be a fan to post in this or any of the forums, but I do think if you post it should be in a constructive way. Reading threw this and a few of the other threads, it seems more and more members here are just trolling. For example the title of this thread seems a bit inappropriate.

Just my 2 cents
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I hear you I really do. I have a history here of objecting to this very thing. I remember being pretty pissed off when my relationship with Strider Knives a company I really enjoyed a relationship with, buying and selling extensively and if not making money at least not losing any. Then the Blade forum investigative reporting happened.... I was not happy.

So I do understand your point. Still in general during the Strider controversy it kept coming back to...what STRIDER said and did.

So we don't gain much by trying to refocus this thread on what members here say because that does not really matter in the end.

What matters is what CRK claims about the purpose and performance of their fixed blade line. What matters is how a knife described as perfect for a task actually performs compared to a 10 dollar beater from China.

What matters is how we the buyers perceive and react to this information.

From my perspective until the problem is identified and the performance of the CRK fixed blade matches the Price and discription in the add copy it is unlikely they will attract a lot of my money.
 
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Would a statement help?

Depends, If it's the usual, we're perfect and there's nothing wrong, move along statement, then that would not help.

If it was a sincere statement explaining why their hard use knives can't be used fir hard use then maybe.
 
jdowell said:
If you think about it, the fact that CRK replaced the knife, says a lot.

Class act.
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Could you expand on this? What do you think is noteworthy about this?

I have blown up guns with re-loads before and had companies competing to get the gun to examine the mode of failure. There is also the damage control aspect. It tends to get people to say things like "class act". That maybe true, but you still need to get people to talk about it right?


Just saying there are multiple motivations that can be attributed to this action.
 
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I think it was good that they replaced the knife. However, that being said, I think it would have been suicidal not to have.
 
When I emailed CRK prior to buying a Green Beret, I shared my concerns about the fragility of the steel and wanted to make sure the knife would be durable. Anne replied and stated,
"we have been a reputable knife maker for many years with an excellent reputation and I assure you our knives don't defect easily".
Well, I stabbed particle board with the GB and the tip snapped. Now this Noss guy hits his GB into wood and it shatters like glass, only after stabbing sheet metal and having the entire tip fracture right off. If you ask me that is an easy defect for such a stout and large knife. Having a good reputation doesn't mean you won't have to maintain it by admitting when something is lacking and fixing it.
I am a good industrial designer, so when I make you a machining drawing and the freakin part doesn't come out right, its not my fault because I am a good designer and nothing is wrong? Arrogance. CRK needs to write a letter to the US military and have them warn all their soldiers that their knives are unable to withstand repeated shock. Maybe even issue a recall.
 
Bkultra said:
That post was directed towards the people that came here just to stir up s***. I agree you dont have to be a fan to post in this or any of the forums, but I do think if you post it should be in a constructive way. Reading threw this and a few of the other threads, it seems more and more members here are just trolling. For example the title of this thread seems a bit inappropriate.

Just my 2 cents
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Yeah it doesnt bode well for a thread with a title like that. I'm suprised the moderators left it up.

I agree with your post whole heartedly.

I think people who cant afford or dont appreciate a particular company knife relish the oppurtunity to put it down a little more than they should, cause it gives em a rational for not having said knife.

I read your post a little more defesively than it seems I should have...

But in conclusion CRK got pwnd... :rolleyes:
 
Artilary6 said:
When I emailed CRK prior to buying a Green Beret, I shared my concerns about the fragility of the steel and wanted to make sure the knife would be durable. Anne replied and stated,
"we have been a reputable knife maker for many years with an excellent reputation and I assure you our knives don't defect easily".
Well, I stabbed particle board with the GB and the tip snapped. Now this Noss guy hits his GB into wood and it shatters like glass, only after stabbing sheet metal and having the entire tip fracture right off. If you ask me that is an easy defect for such a stout and large knife. Having a good reputation doesn't mean you won't have to maintain it by admitting when something is lacking and fixing it.
I am a good industrial designer, so when I make you a machining drawing and the freakin part doesn't come out right, its not my fault because I am a good designer and nothing is wrong? Arrogance. CRK needs to write a letter to the US military and have them warn all their soldiers that their knives are unable to withstand repeated shock. Maybe even issue a recall.
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All I can do is shake my head in both directs. Sad but it seems that this is more true then it should be and that we want it to be.
 
Justabuyer said:
There is also the damage control aspect. It tends to get people to say things like "class act". That maybe true, but you still need to get people to talk about it right?
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There's rather an unfortunate quantity of that sort of language on the various cutty forums these days. Lots of winks and nods. Lots of hey, it's implicit. We're down for the cause. We understand the big thing.

I've been on here, and I've been carrying CRK products for 10 years now. I am for damn sure not trolling.

It's kind of a bummer when folks who are genuinely interested in the subject at hand have to take a back seat to the Kool Aid crowd 'cause they didn't say the right thing.

Fact is, a guy can grind an edge on just about any sort of untreated steel and dig with it all day long. It's not going to break in half. I could put an edge on a piece of 1/4" A36 and beat it all bloody day long. It would chop, dig and even cut some stuff. It would pry, cut bands, open crates. It would not break. The simple fact is that a 1/4" think slab of metal _should_not_break when it's hit with a #3 maul.

If CRK is interested in building hard use knives, they need to address this issue.
 
tsiloics said:
It's kind of a bummer when folks who are genuinely interested in the subject at hand have to take a back seat to the Kool Aid crowd 'cause they didn't say the right thing.
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Yet another great example of not saying the right thing. A little advice when trying to make an argument don't resort to name calling. It makes you appear immature. :thumbdn:
 
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Justabuyer said:
Could you expand on this? What do you think is noteworthy about this?
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There is a big difference between 'talking' and communicating.
IMHO, communicating is more important. That's what CRK is doing by replacing the knife. What are they communicating to all of us?
Think about it..

Going to CRK for anything other than a Sebenza might be a bad idea, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a class act, and have contributed to the knife world in a major way.
If you don't have faith in those knives, don't buy them. In this thread, people are actually acting victimized by CRK because they (CRK) haven't stood on a podium and announced to the knife world how they are going to remedy this situation.
Please... we (the consumers) have all the power. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Now, go spend some time with your kids. Maybe make some Kool Aid.;)
 
I drop in on this thread occasionally. I am always interested in how so many can say so much about so little. For the benefit of anyone wondering why "the mods" might let a thread go on and on despite what some might see as defects in the argument, well, that's the Bladeforums way. The longer the discussion continues, the more certain it is that some people will finally understand what's going on. And the rest will have their fun.
 
Lycosa said:
Esav---How about a poem on all this rout?? :)
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I feel like a haiku. My poetry skills are nowhere near Esav's level, so please be gentle. :)

There once was a knife
Chris named it the Project 1
Ah crap, Noss snapped it.


Edit: Alternatively
A survival knife
Of one piece named Project 1
Ah crap, Noss snapped it.

(named is 1 syllable, right?)
 
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Named is one syllable. Esav you're right. Destructive tests have their place but the golden rule applies, let the buyer beware. I'm very partial to CRK products and this test would not deter me from getting a project one. But as I'm a city boy with little interest in fixed blades, the test does little for me and doesn't decrease my faith in CRK one little bit. Regardless, one test does not a knife make. If it was reported that the knife failed in reasonable real life situations, I would be more apt to be critical of the blade and its construction. Chris puts a lot of pride and effort in the construction of his product and this issue does nothing to change my opinion.:cool:

And yes I think it's great that we are able to have these debates here at BF.:thumbup:
 
If they are paranoid, which im sure they are...they will check this first and fail to respond to me.
email as sent to them:

Mr & Mrs reeve,
The Green Beret knife is touted as tough and uncompromising. I truly admire and really do appreciate the attention to detail that goes into the design and manufacture of this knife. Fit and finish is first rate and I don’t question that nor do I know anyone who would. I have a single concern that, as a potential customer would like addressed. That concern is the reasonable limits of durability of this knife. Everything about the knife screams at me to buy it, because it is, well, actually quite attractive. However, I am in the market for a hard use knife that will be able to withstand heavy use that is in line with its price. Is the Green Beret designed for environments and situations that are unique to true survival conditions? Such as the need to baton firewood with a rock perhaps as the hammering device. Such an instance would be appropriate when the wood is scarce and rocks are abundant. Other such scenarios might include those such as myself being stuck and totally trapped in a steep canyon, where I might use the knife as a foothold for climbing after wedging it inside of a crack in a rock wall face. Is the Green Beret capable of withstanding this type of repeated shock and heavy load? I would assume it certainly is as it is the awarded knife of the Green berets and reinforces the assumption that it is a true survival tool. I require these tough qualities in a survival/combat grade knife and I would like to know if I can rest assured that the Green Beret might serve me well in the most dire of situations as I have described.
Thanks,
-Ryan

i'll post a follow up, like it or not, save me being banned. Props to Esav BTW for allowing free speech & expression on this forum.
 
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