CRK Post from 4-19-12

The backordering is different, go into any true knife shop that sells all the above mentioned knives, like I stated, I can pick up 95% of the knives any of the manufacturers you have mentioned, you are lucky to run into 1 or 2 CRKs in any local shops.

I asked in a different thread if they had did you wrong and dont beleive that you responded...Maybe I missed it? Sorry for the bad taste in your mouth from your recent experience and thusly you are probably justified in the way you feel. But I praise Chris at the same time because prior to my career I worked the dark side of retail and the customer is not always right. All orders from CRK take forever, everyone knows this when they place the order...and if you bad mouthed my company when you were trying to deal with my company I would kick your order to the curb as well...Why would CRK have to deal with you anymore than they already do when you have the mentality that you do?

My local knife shop has about 20-30 CRK's in stock as we speak and he's a tiny distributor I have more access to crks than I do 0560's, tilts, anything strider etc. I guess he just stocked up but every time I'm there there's at least 10 in stock.

I do have a bad taste in my mouth, but that's not why I'm here. I'm here as a spectator who sometimes comments when I hear others problems with crk and see fan boys shutting them down and summing it up to user error because Chris can do no bad. I was called ignorant earlier but IMO the actions of the fan boys and Chris is more ignorant that I.

Chris has an attitude that it is OK to try and weasel out the people who have problems by not selling to them, and therefore creating an unrealistic bias towards his knives.
 
There seems to be a strong "Chris Reeve can do no wrong" sentiment here which makes discussion akin to conversing about the workings of the universe with a creationist. I feel valid discussion could be had here if people would stop posting how classy he is, how he says his knives are tools, etc. None of this has any bearing on the information being presented; we merely know that locks have failed on sebenzas, it's being chalked up to excessive opening, CRK proved with their tests that it isn't the case, claimed they had more results to post, they go silent, and now we see the lock face redesigned. I don't know how classy this all sounds to me...

+1, it always turns into 'here we go again' more so because of the self proclaimed fanboy's then those presenting an issue.


Nobody should feel obligated to receive these results.

It will happen when they have time.

CRK brought about the testing, no one asked them to do it they volunteered (remember, CRK is even the one who started that thread), so it'd be nice if they would follow through with it.

I seriously doubt part 2 will ever happen; they've moved on to the 25 and I'd bet are just hoping this issue will die to the archive.


IMO, the most messed up part of all of this, is that the money and lock-bars Chris damaged in his 'test' (that was only to try and prove some CRK customers wrong:thumbdn:) could of easily covered the 3-4 people that had lock-bar issues in the first place. That's seriously f'd up and no one seemed to notice it...

-sh00ter
 
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I had an interesting Sebenza experience today. I dropped the micarta 21 in my pocket this morning. I have gone all day and never once worried about 1. lock rock (whatever the heck that is) 2. CRK warranty service 3. lock bar percentage of travel 4. lock bar face degradation 5. whether Chris has respond to the 4/19 thread 6. whether Chris is a curmudgeon with bad telephone manners. I just sort of went about my business knowing if something need cutting I could cut it. Don't worry, be happy.:D

You're clearly just a fanboi so your opinion doesn't count. :eek: You clearly haven't grasped that the real purpose of what people get online to do is maximize their own, and others', unhappiness, discontent and negative outlook. Please come back when you've made an appropriate adjustment in your non-conformist attitude and The Collective will be glad to receive you unto itself.

Sarcasm/ironic humor/tongue-in-cheek mode off... :o
 
Who said they were design/production flaws?

25 years of users and what as it...3 or 4? people showed these problems, sure looks like a user issue to me.

And I'm not saying it is the people that sent them in, their own fault, it could very well have been a previous owner.
 
My local knife shop has about 20-30 CRK's in stock as we speak and he's a tiny distributor I have more access to crks than I do 0560's, tilts, anything strider etc. I guess he just stocked up but every time I'm there there's at least 10 in stock.

I do have a bad taste in my mouth, but that's not why I'm here. I'm here as a spectator who sometimes comments when I hear others problems with crk and see fan boys shutting them down and summing it up to user error because Chris can do no bad. I was called ignorant earlier but IMO the actions of the fan boys and Chris is more ignorant that I.

Chris has an attitude that it is OK to try and weasel out the people who have problems by not selling to them, and therefore creating an unrealistic bias towards his knives.

PM or EMAIL me the name of your shop, I can not even find a knife shop on net with that many knives. Would love to see what they have and maybe order one from them.
 
Fanboys. Haters. Whatever. This thread is already heading down the path of train wreck and calling anyone ignorant proves no point.

If you are antsy about the outcome of test or a schedule as when another thread will be started call or email CRK and ask. Be proactive as opposed to being frustrated when CRK fans act like...CRK fans.

Many here have multiple Sebenzas. I highly doubt that if this was a production flaw there would be so many of us happy as hell to use our Sebs without any hint of blade play or rock lock or anything else along the same vain.

I somewhat feel like an idiot for posting as I'm aware it won't change anyones perspective.

To those that have had issues, my heart goes out to you. I happen to be in the same boat, a very large boat, as people that have multiple Sebenzas with zero issues and I don't count myself as lucky because it's no shock we own quality products made and sold by quality people.

Alot of you posting seem to only pop in when drama is happening. I don't see any other input in here from these people on a regular basis until one of these threads pop up. Then you have the nerve to try and make us feel stupid for defending our chosen brand everytime you try to nail Chris Reeve and Co. to the cross.

There are real people behind these keyboards and touch screens. Try and make the effort to treat eachother as such, otherwise you just sound ...ignorant;)
 
Design/production flaws? "I'll get my team on this, we'll post our findings. In three years."

If it was a design flaw the 21 would have gone by the wayside long ago. If it was a design flaw all of my 21's would be sporting the same issues as those that have spoken, none do.
 
I have multiple Sebenzas. Zero issues too. I have had great customer experiences. I am interested in learning more and more about Sebenzas and it seems that the tutorial videos from Chris would be a great place to garner some knowledge--straight from the man himself. I don't emal them direct to get a response on this because they used this forum--I am following their lead.
There is no need to get heated no matter what side of the coin you're on. I carry and use mine every day too. They are great tools. I'm just curious on an update--not demanding it, nor tapping my feet impatiently about it.
 
I had an interesting Sebenza experience today. I dropped the micarta 21 in my pocket this morning. I have gone all day and never once worried about 1. lock rock (whatever the heck that is) 2. CRK warranty service 3. lock bar percentage of travel 4. lock bar face degradation 5. whether Chris has respond to the 4/19 thread 6. whether Chris is a curmudgeon with bad telephone manners. I just sort of went about my business knowing if something need cutting I could cut it. Don't worry, be happy.:D

Easy to say when your knife isn't broken from normal use.

Again, the problem with these threads is the demonization of those with these problems. They have valid concerns and all they're being labelled as are "bad users". It's just really weak, it shows the lack of compassion and understanding from those posting here, and makes most everyone here come off as unscientific elitist jerks.

Not the company I keep.

I won't be returning nor buying a CRK again. The lock face issue was one thing but this whole experience has really tarnished my views on the community.

Good luck to those who would see their knives repaired!
 
Easy to say when your knife isn't broken from normal use.

Again, the problem with these threads is the demonization of those with these problems. They have valid concerns and all they're being labelled as are "bad users". It's just really weak, it shows the lack of compassion and understanding from those posting here, and makes most everyone here come off as unscientific elitist jerks.

Not the company I keep.

I won't be returning nor buying a CRK again. The lock face issue was one thing but this whole experience has really tarnished my views on the community.

Good luck to those who would see their knives repaired!

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but were you to frequent this section for any reason other than making an appearance to talk about issues or bashing fanboys perhaps your experience would be different.

I've met alot of friendly, happy, positive, and helpful people here that I consider friends. Elitist jerks would not be a category I would place these people in. You can't spit on someones carpet and expect to be greeted with a handshake, then insult them when you fail to receive one. It's a childish mentality that will not be missed.

The definition of normal use is dependent upon the individual. Personally I use my knives to cut stuff, when I am finished I close the knife and put it back in my pocket. To date 5 out of 5 Sebenzas have met that criteria flawlessly and I've had no reason to believe number 6,7,8 and up wont perform the same way.

It's hard to remain cordial with people that make blanket statements about poor quality when so many have experienced nothing but the best knife and the best customer service. Sure, the first couple post, "hey man, sorry to hear you've had issues, hope they get worked out", but when one beats a dead horse, becomes close minded, then eventually insulting then yes, responses will be sarcastic and defensive. It's called context. One should keep these defensive post in context and perhaps go back and take a peek at their own post in the CRK room and tally up how many of those post are friendly or helpful and how many are insulting or negative. Be warned when reading them though, you might bore yourself to death.

Have a good day:thumbup::)
 
I have multiple Sebenzas. Zero issues too. I have had great customer experiences. I am interested in learning more and more about Sebenzas and it seems that the tutorial videos from Chris would be a great place to garner some knowledge--straight from the man himself. I don't emal them direct to get a response on this because they used this forum--I am following their lead.
There is no need to get heated no matter what side of the coin you're on. I carry and use mine every day too. They are great tools. I'm just curious on an update--not demanding it, nor tapping my feet impatiently about it.

I know you started this thread out of genuine curiosity and I apologize for frequently posting off of the original topic.
 
+1, it always turns into 'here we go again' more so because of the self proclaimed fanboy's then those presenting an issue.

CRK brought about the testing, no one asked them to do it they volunteered (remember, CRK is even the one who started that thread), so it'd be nice if they would follow through with it.

IMO, the most messed up part of all of this, is that the money and lock-bars Chris damaged in his 'test' (that was only to try and prove some CRK customers wrong:thumbdn:) could of easily covered the 3-4 people that had lock-bar issues in the first place. That's seriously f'd up and no one seemed to notice it...

-sh00ter

+1, it always turns into 'here we go again' more so because of the self proclaimed fanboy's then those presenting an issue.

CRK brought about the testing, no one asked them to do it they volunteered (remember, CRK is even the one who started that thread), so it'd be nice if they would follow through with it.

IMO, the most messed up part of all of this, is that the money and lock-bars Chris damaged in his 'test' (that was only to try and prove some CRK customers wrong:thumbdn:) could of easily covered the 3-4 people that had lock-bar issues in the first place. That's seriously f'd up and no one seemed to notice it...

-sh00ter

It's "here we go again" because you idiots keep bringing up the same thread after it(and probably 2 exact same kind) were already closed down. CRK has no obligation to drop everything and reply to a forum of a bunch of whiners with their mistreated sebenzas. Let's bring up the fact again of Wolf buying a USED sebenza, from someone he doesn't know, among a couple other stupid incidents. Granted there are a few people with legitimate issues, but i feel it was the mis-informed/entitled ones that just ruined it for you guys.

If this was moderated anywhere near like some of the of manufacturer forums are, these @$$es would be booted out or threads locked down right away. And i'd say you particular few rightfully get the label of @$$ because like wolf stated

I do have a bad taste in my mouth, but that's not why I'm here. I'm here as a spectator who sometimes comments when I hear others problems with crk and see fan boys shutting them down and summing it up to user error because Chris can do no bad. I was called ignorant earlier but IMO the actions of the fan boys and Chris is more ignorant that I.

There are people with sebenzas that are 10,15,20+ years old and you don't hear about people having problems. For those that actually do it was either 1. feigning ignorance with a mistreated seb 2. your delivery when approaching the issue 3. a judgement call on CRK. (give or take an option 4 or 5)

go start your crap threads in general. So to recap:

wolf bought a used sebenza and complained there was a lock bar issue
one person sharpened their sebenza then complained the bevel was off and wanted a new blade
one person called and said they were cursed at, or called names by Mr. Reeve himself
and last i think there was one person who legitimately had an issue and it was corrected, and one person who hadn't

CRK started the simple statement thread, let them follow through. The more "we deserve this, we deserve that, right now" and they'll probably just keep doing what they do. I've had plenty of people come up to my bar thinking they were entitled, and i'd leave their sorry butts sitting there until they left, or booted them out :/

riverrat said it best, you have a pressing matter that needs answered right away, call them up. I doubt they have caller id and have a list tacked up. Or the keyboard is as far as you'll reach?
 
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It's "here we go again" because you idiots keep bringing up the same thread after it(and probably 2 exact same kind) were already closed down. CRK has no obligation to drop everything and reply to a forum of a bunch of whiners with their mistreated sebenzas. Let's bring up the fact again of Wolf buying a USED sebenza, from someone he doesn't know, among a couple other stupid incidents. Granted there are a few people with legitimate issues, but i feel it was the mis-informed/entitled ones that just ruined it for you guys.

If this was moderated anywhere near like some of the of manufacturer forums are, these @$$es would be booted out or threads locked down right away. And i'd say you particular few rightfully get the label of @$$ because like wolf stated



There are people with sebenzas that are 10,15,20+ years old and you don't hear about people having problems. For those that actually do it was either 1. feigning ignorance with a mistreated seb 2. your delivery when approaching the issue 3. a judgement call on CRK. (give or take an option 4 or 5)

go start your crap threads in general. So to recap:

wolf bought a used sebenza and complained there was a lock bar issue
one person sharpened their sebenza then complained the bevel was off and wanted a new blade
one person called and said they were cursed at, or called names by Mr. Reeve himself
and last i think there was one person who legitimately had an issue and it was corrected, and one person who hadn't

CRK started the simple statement thread, let them follow through. The more "we deserve this, we deserve that, right now" and they'll probably just keep doing what they do. I've had plenty of people come up to my bar thinking they were entitled, and i'd leave their sorry butts sitting there until they left, or booted them out :/

riverrat said it best, you have a pressing matter that needs answered right away, call them up. I doubt they have caller id and have a list tacked up. Or the keyboard is as far as you'll reach?

here we go again :D
 
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