CRK Post from 4-19-12

[sh00ter01]

It's "here we go again" because you idiots keep bringing up the same thread after it(and probably 2 exact same kind) were already closed down. CRK has no obligation to drop everything and reply to a forum of a bunch of whiners with their mistreated sebenzas. Let's bring up the fact again of Wolf buying a USED sebenza, from someone he doesn't know, among a couple other stupid incidents. Granted there are a few people with legitimate issues, but i feel it was the mis-informed/entitled ones that just ruined it for you guys.

If this was moderated anywhere near like some of the of manufacturer forums are, these @$$es would be booted out or threads locked down right away. And i'd say you particular few rightfully get the label of @$$ because like wolf stated

Those threads were closed because those that started them were attacked for doing so. All some people want is for CRK to finish posting their testing results. Not demanding it, but threads like this let CRK know that some of us haven't forgotten and still are interested in their testing.

riverrat said it best, you have a pressing matter that needs answered right away, call them up. I doubt they have caller id and have a list tacked up. Or the keyboard is as far as you'll reach?

It's not a pressing matter, CRK started it on the forum, they can finish it here. I'd call, but there's no point to bother them with a thread from the forum that I'm sure they've already seen/read.


And forget about wolf, there are many here that would like to see this testing wrapped up (fans and haters alike). I think your count might be off, but it doesn't really matter that much one way or another.


Nice job on interjecting some insults into your post and proving my point about why the threads go were they go:thumbup:

IMO, the most messed up part of all of this, is that the money and lock-bars Chris damaged in his 'test' (that was only to try and prove some CRK customers wrong:thumbdn could of easily covered the 3-4 people that had lock-bar issues in the first place. That's seriously f'd up and no one seemed to notice it...

-sh00ter

I still think this is the most eye opening thing to come from the 'Simple Statement' thread. EVEN IF some of those complaining had no rightful claim to warranty service, the threads and headaches that could have been avoided by just servicing those knives is worth the cost.

-sh00ter

 

[Steel_Addiction]

Shooter,

Fixing the knives in question would not have solved these problems because those that caused the damage could turn around and just do it again.

It would just allow others to abuse their knives and expect Crk to keep fixing them.

All it would do is enable the abusers.

 

[JNewell]

Easy to say when your knife isn't broken from normal use.

Again, the problem with these threads is the demonization of those with these problems. They have valid concerns and all they're being labelled as are "bad users". It's just really weak, it shows the lack of compassion and understanding from those posting here, and makes most everyone here come off as unscientific elitist jerks.

Not the company I keep.

I won't be returning nor buying a CRK again. The lock face issue was one thing but this whole experience has really tarnished my views on the community.

Good luck to those who would see their knives repaired!

Well,lessee...I have a 96 Regular that finally got used and worn to the point where the lockup was loose. I sent it to CRK and they fixed it for free with no questions asked, and even made some upgrades (ceramic detent, for example) unrequested and at no charge.

I must have been doing something wrong?

 

[sh00ter01]

Shooter,

Fixing the knives in question would not have solved these problems because those that caused the damage could turn around and just do it again.

It would just allow others to abuse their knives and expect Crk to keep fixing them.

All it would do is enable the abusers.

This again goes back to whats abuse and what the Sebbie is capable of handling. The 8000+ wrist snaps showed that the lock face is more resilient then some first thought and seems to contradict Chris's claim that flicking was the cause of said issues people were experiencing. I'd like to see them wrap it up so we have some definite conclusion from the testing rather then an open end experiment where the result are contradicting to CRK claims.

As far as enabling, CRK keeps record of service work and those they deal with, they can pick up on patterns pretty quick as to repeat offenders; at that point denying warranty work is completely justified and there's proof to back it. But for someone that's made no warranty claims before; Chris dismissing it as abuse (sometime without even seeing the knife) is just ridiculous.

-sh00ter

 

[alpine0000]

It's "here we go again" because you idiots keep bringing up the same thread ...
If this was moderated anywhere near like some of the of manufacturer forums are, these @$$es would be booted out or threads locked down right away. And i'd say you particular few rightfully get the label of @$$ because like wolf stated

If you are unsure how you should conduct yourself at bladeforums, please start with a review of the rules regarding insulting other members:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/faq.php?faq=faq_infractions_lists#faq_faq_infractions_insulting

 

[MostMenAreRuthless]

If you are unsure how you should conduct yourself at bladeforums, please start with a review of the rules regarding insulting other members:
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alpine0000--Thank you for helping to keep this thread classy. It is appreciated.

 

[wolf5391]

alpine0000--Thank you for helping to keep this thread classy. It is appreciated.

yes, sometime people who are veterans of these forums need to go back to square one and re-learn the proper conduct before posting.

Some of the veterans feel like they are above the rules and can conduct themselves however they want. It goes back to my cyber bullying statement before.

 

[JustinFournier]

I am happy with my Sebenza, all 4 of them in fact. I want to see the results of the testing too. But after seeing the older threads, it's clear the damage wasn't caused by flicking, but could be caused by closing the blade with the lock still just slightly in the locked position, thus using the blade tang to push the lockbar aside. That essentially caused smearing of the lockface edge and looks very consistent with some of the other damage.

So that is not spine whacking or any other obvious abuse, but it's still clearly not intended use and can be called abuse.

wolf5391,

I'm sorry you had issues with the used Sebenza you got that was obviously abused and the warranty was not valid as you were not the original owner. I'm also sorry my wife took my brand new car with less than 2000 miles on it and drove it into a curb and scratched the bumped which now has to be replaced. Seems we both have issues not caused by our doing, but we are both responsible for the repair. C'est la vie.

I thought this thread was ridiculousness... but then this?

...... It goes back to my cyber bullying statement before.

Grown men on a knife enthusiast forum or middle school girls on a Justin Bieber forum?

 

[nccole]

+1, it always turns into 'here we go again' more so because of the self proclaimed fanboy's then those presenting an issue.




CRK brought about the testing, no one asked them to do it they volunteered (remember, CRK is even the one who started that thread), so it'd be nice if they would follow through with it.

I seriously doubt part 2 will ever happen; they've moved on to the 25 and I'd bet are just hoping this issue will die to the archive.


IMO, the most messed up part of all of this, is that the money and lock-bars Chris damaged in his 'test' (that was only to try and prove some CRK customers wrong:thumbdn could of easily covered the 3-4 people that had lock-bar issues in the first place. That's seriously f'd up and no one seemed to notice it...

-sh00ter

You were not alone, I thought the exact same thing.

 

[nccole]

If it was a design flaw the 21 would have gone by the wayside long ago. If it was a design flaw all of my 21's would be sporting the same issues as those that have spoken, none do.

That is why it was more likely a defect or manufacturing flaw. The design is solid and not just proven by CRK, many other companies have proven the design.

 

[HuntBomb]

CRK CREATED a thread claiming they were testing the lockface. They showed a video and told us to stay tuned for part 2.
Exactly how long should this take?
I love my Sebenza just as much as the next guy, but this problem should be solved by now.
I also think fanboys can be a bit harsh around here. I want to hear about every positive and negative dealing so that I can make the best decision on what I want to buy and what I want to avoid.

 

[JustinFournier]

Maybe it's taking them a while to figure out just how to replicate the damage to the lockface, and there is little reward in doing so, thus it sits on the back burner.

 

[wolf5391]

y closing the blade with the lock still just slightly in the locked position, thus using the blade tang to push the lockbar aside. That essentially caused smearing of the lockface edge and looks very consistent with some of the other damage.

So that is not spine whacking or any other obvious abuse, but it's still clearly not intended use and can be called abuse.

wolf5391,

I'm sorry you had issues with the used Sebenza you got that was obviously abused and the warranty was not valid as you were not the original owner. I'm also sorry my wife took my brand new car with less than 2000 miles on it and drove it into a curb and scratched the bumped which now has to be replaced. Seems we both have issues not caused by our doing, but we are both responsible for the repair. C'est la vie.

I thought this thread was ridiculousness... but then this?



Grown men on a knife enthusiast forum or middle school girls on a Justin Bieber forum?

Unfortunately grown men can act like middle school girls on these forums, and its is part of the rules on these forums. Obey them or not, in the end the people who abuse these rules will get infractions and be banned.

Your choice on which end you'd like to be on.

 

[CAD]

CRK CREATED a thread claiming they were testing the lockface. They showed a video and told us to stay tuned for part 2.
Exactly how long should this take?

Most of us "fanboys" are just tired of this same question being asked over and over. We are only forum members and not employed by CRK.The questions should be directed to CRK.


Chris D.

 

[RiverRat84]

Most of us "fanboys" are just tired of this same question being asked over and over. We are only forum members and not employed by CRK.The questions should be directed to CRK.


Chris D.

Ah reason. Short and sweet:thumbup:

 

[JustinFournier]

Unfortunately grown men can act like middle school girls on these forums, and its is part of the rules on these forums. Obey them or not, in the end the people who abuse these rules will get infractions and be banned.

Your choice on which end you'd like to be on.

I'm not on any "side". I want to see the results as much as anyone else, but I don't feel entitled to them. I don't go around calling people names, but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch if someone doesn't like what I have to say.

 

[MANOEL Veiga de CARVALHO]

The best test for me is the test of time - I'm be using sebies since 98 and this is the best test, not words but facts!

 

[FLymon]

Maybe it's taking them a while to figure out just how to replicate the damage to the lockface, and there is little reward in doing so, thus it sits on the back burner.

Surely Mr. Reeve would have never promised the demonstration if he didn't already have it completed, or was absolutely sure of the outcome based on previous testing.

I mean only an idiot, or a naive fool would set themselves up for potential professional and personal embarrassment like that. Telling people for years how only abuse could cause deformation of the Ti lock face, then promising a demonstration of exactly what kind of abuse is to blame only to not be able to replicate it himself?
Or worse yet, discover that just closing it without clearing the lock bar can cause it, or it only occurs on knives with failed heat treat in the lock face, or some other overlooked/unconsidered condition that may be indistinguishable from actual abuse?

No I don't think so. Ti lock face damage and/or bade play is as old as the RIL design itself, and he is the designer after all. He knows what causes marring/deformation of the lock face, and/or blade play in his knives.

If I had to bet, I'd say he had completed similar tests/demonstrations long before the post on 5/7/2012 (probably decades before) and maybe he just likes to watch some people get all worked up over being "kept in the dark".
After all, only his detractors are really clamoring for the results it seems.

 

[JustinFournier]

Surely Mr. Reeve would have never promised the demonstration if he didn't already have it completed, or was absolutely sure of the outcome based on previous testing... ...If I had to bet, I'd say he had completed similar tests/demonstrations long before the post on 5/7/2012 (probably decades before) and maybe he just likes to watch some people get all worked up over being "kept in the dark".
After all, only his detractors are really clamoring for the results it seems.

Maybe. At a company I used to work for, a Senior Engineer once told me "We try to make these idiot proof; but the idiots keep outsmarting us". The implication was, users would always end up coming up with a new way to break something, that as a more competent user who tried to break it would not have considered doing.

I think a good example here is spine whacking. How many people actually spine whack their Sebenza in normal use? Abuse is not covered under the warranty, so why go through the time necessary to find every possible way to document every idiotic method of causing damage, when you won't cover it anyway and you have orders to fill?

 

[MostMenAreRuthless]

As I was browsing this thread this afternoon I happened to notice that user "Chris Reeve" was also browsing the thread for a good amount of time. So, at a bare minimum they are aware of the interest in seeing the follow-up tests and are apparently intrigued enough to at least read the threads and stay abreast of our "all things CRK" conversations.