CRK Slipjoint.....!!!

Can anyone who has a regular production sample measure the blade length? What is it, measured from the handle to tip? The original specs were 3.123" and that is what the CR website says, but I have seen claims of 3".
 
bvo85 said:
Interesting. They have changed the design specs on their website. It was previously listed at 3.123" blade length and is now listed at 3". I was able to find the original page on Google Cache.

I wonder which of the following happened:

1) It always was 3" and the website had a typographical error

2) The models at Blade Show were 3.123" and in response to initial feedback, they've decided to retool the production version to be slightly shorter, which doesn't seem that hard to do, given no changes to the handle. Maybe a few minutes in CAD to shorten the blade.

3) They've decided to change the way the blade length is measured for legal reasons. Everything is the same as before, but they realized the 3" legality reason, so have decided to no longer count the sharpening choil or something.

The reason this matters is because if it's #3 then a court might find the blade length really is 3.123" using a different method of measurement. While most people reading this will find it implausible that they'd find themselves in court worrying about .123" of a slipjoint pocket knife, it could be a felony conviction that ruins your life if you're the unlucky person caught in the net. I've heard thousands of NYC residents have felony charges for "Gravity Knives" over the last few years for merely possessing a standard folding knife. It seems implausible until you hear that clickity clack of the cuffs.

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Do you happen to have a screenshot of it saying 3"? I recalled seeing 3.123" and that's what it says now as well. Never seen it being listed at 3" on the site although I've heard the comments from Bill and Tim saying it's 3".
 
lambertiana said:
Can anyone who has a regular production sample measure the blade length? What is it, measured from the handle to tip? The original specs were 3.123" and that is what the CR website says, but I have seen claims of 3".
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Remember though, Tim did say these are prototypes.

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my guess for law enforcement.... from where the handle ends to the end of the blade (the point) which would be the simplest and quickest and longest measurement
 
tank sniper said:
my guess for law enforcement.... from where the handle ends to the end of the blade (the point) which would be the simplest and quickest and longest measurement
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I believe that is the standard way of doing it. Edge can vary considerably form blade length, such as blades with choils. The laws are based on penetration capability. The theory being a 3" or less blade is not as lethal.
 
Peter Hartwig said:
The theory being a 3" or less blade is not as lethal.
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But apparently I can take down an airplane with the little knife-shaped thingy on my nail clippers (at least according to the security agent).

It’s a messed up world we live in, and there is no right answer. Myself I would consider a 2.5” blade completely lethal. Anything that can slice through the first layer of clothing, or make it into the major veins is pretty much dangerous, so in many ways I think the whole blade-length policy is completely dumb. Smaller knives are just as lethal, and much easier to conceal, so the whole argument is really backwards and bunk. Sounds like too many town councillors and arm-chair enforcement officers sitting around their desks dreaming up draft legislation where none is really needed.
 
It really is a shame that these are so expensive. I bet at $250 they wouldnt be able to keep them in stock. Not hating on CRK. I have owned a few and they were all exceptional, but I just dont see how these can cost $450.
 
Riz! said:
It really is a shame that these are so expensive. I bet at $250 they wouldnt be able to keep them in stock. Not hating on CRK. I have owned a few and they were all exceptional, but I just dont see how these can cost $450.
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They are not as simple to make as they look to make.
Depending on your end goal, you choose the machining technology that makes the most sense. In this case, the backspring and the mating part of the blade are made with a wire EDM. This is one of the machines I have personal experience with and one of the most accurate. It removes some of the issues associated with normal milling technologies that impart stresses into the part that cause warp, twist, etc. The EDM is capable of taking the tolerances normally associated with CRK to another level. Sub .0001in
More or less, it's the properties of the technology used than the tolerances it's capable of and it isn't cheap.

It astounds me that people are capable of looking at any manufactured item and are instantly capable of telling what it should be worth based on the looks alone.

On another note, I did drop by the shop for a bit to pick up the Damasteel Inkosi today and had some time to talk to Tim Reeve about the Impinda.
He states that the UK laws are based on edge length, which the Impinda is at 2.95in.
Also, I will likely get an Impinda for a passaround out of the next batch.
Stay tuned.
 
People are used to a non-locking knife costing less than a comparable locking knife. This knife turns the trend around, which is more than a little bit surprising. I would imagine there are some things that make this knife unique, and possibly very interesting, but I personally am not seeing it. And, while I could buy the "expensive to make" argument for a framelock, I find it hard to swallow with a traditionally-styled knife.
 
FourD said:
People are used to a non-locking knife costing less than a comparable locking knife. This knife turns the trend around, which is more than a little bit surprising. I would imagine there are some things that make this knife unique, and possibly very interesting, but I personally am not seeing it. And, while I could buy the "expensive to make" argument for a framelock, I find it hard to swallow with a traditionally-styled knife.
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While I get what you're saying you can make this argument about all of CRK's knives. You can get all sorts of locking knives for $20 if you wanted and plenty of titanium framelocks under $200. The same reason that drives someone to pay $450 for a CRK when they can get a Kizer for much cheaper can apply to someone who'd want to own an Impinda.
 
bhyde bhyde

I understand the “cost to make” factor. If I was going to drop that much coin on a slippy I would gp for a fully hand made one like a TA Davison (which would likely cast more than $450)

I saw a video review and the guy showed things like the back spring not being flush with the handles and a gritty action. To me and only me, the price doesnt match the item. Now I can honestly say I havent held one and once I do, my opinion could change. It could also be that for the first few runs they were dialing in the processes and that the action and backspring issues will be resolved.

Ultimately items value are determined by the buyer. Some will think it is worth $450 and some wont. I got nothin but love for CRK and respect that they are innovating. This knife is going to cause other makers to get on the modern slipjoint train and that is going to be really good for the knife industry!
 
I'll pay more for a well-made frame lock from CRK simply because many other companies can't make a frame lock to the same standard. I don't see that same "value" in a CRK slipjoint.

I will admit I like the looks of the Impinda, but I'd probably sooner buy a Kizer ZipSlip myself.
 
Riz! said:
bhyde bhyde

I understand the “cost to make” factor. If I was going to drop that much coin on a slippy I would gp for a fully hand made one like a TA Davison (which would likely cast more than $450)

I saw a video review and the guy showed things like the back spring not being flush with the handles and a gritty action. To me and only me, the price doesnt match the item. Now I can honestly say I havent held one and once I do, my opinion could change. It could also be that for the first few runs they were dialing in the processes and that the action and backspring issues will be resolved.

Ultimately items value are determined by the buyer. Some will think it is worth $450 and some wont. I got nothin but love for CRK and respect that they are innovating. This knife is going to cause other makers to get on the modern slipjoint train and that is going to be really good for the knife industry!
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Justification for the current price really isn't what I am after as an end goal- That's squarely on CRK..I can rationalize the why's to myself and am only trying to show that there could be some reasons for the price. None of which actually addresses what CRK allows dealers for markup or their own margins after royalties that may or may not be paid to Bill Harsey.
Not sure about any gritty action..The few that I have handled didn't have that, but then again..They were new and it wouldn't surprise me to experience some grittiness after having it in the pocket and getting lint and crap trapped in the action because it's a fairly open system.
You are correct on getting it dialed in as far as the backspring..that is one of the things they are working on for sure.
Great choice on the TA Davidson..Love his knives..along with some of the others!
 
I also think the old school nail nick doesnt do the design justice. An Mnandi style nick or a fuller would look way better and still function to provide some friction for a pinch open, which seems to me the way most people would open this model
 
Riz! said:
I also think the old school nail nick doesnt do the design justice. An Mnandi style nick or a fuller would look way better and still function to provice some friction for a pinch open
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I agree that is probably the biggest reason I don't have a lot of interest in this.
 
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